My 'Open Challenge' response #3:
Below is my response to a rebuttal I received for my 'Open Challenge'. For your convenience, please note that all of the links that are provided in this article will be displayed on a separate window once you click on any of them.
Exposing the liars of the NIV Bible: In this rebuttal, I showed Mr. Perl how the NIV Bible's translators purposely lied and outrageously inserted words into Genesis 16:11-12 that they know don't exist in the King James Version Bible, the Bible they used as the basis of their translation, to prove a lie that they made up. I don't mind differences in translations. But to PUT WORDS IN THE MOUTH OF GOD ALMIGHTY that they knowingly know He, the Almighty, did not speak is outrageous!
This lie had caused for Mr. Perl to get totally confused. I am really concerned about the thousands of people that were deceived along with him. Really, shame on them for purposely lying!
Let us begin with the rebuttal:
He wrote:
Challenge #1 - Deu. 33:2 - This is a reference to God's handing down justice. God's deliverence of the nation of Isreal from Egypt's bondage. Jesus second coming with the final judgement. No mention by name or reference here about Muhammad, strictly God's dealing with judgement upon sinners false teachers and idolators.
The relation to the quantity of 10,000 is not mentioned in any reference that I found, but the word that is used is MYRIAD. Which is a reference to a large number, but unspecific.
My response:
Let us look at Deuteronomy 33:2 from the King James Version Bible:
"And he said, The LORD came from Si'-nai, and rose up from Se'-ir unto them; he shined forth from mount Pa'-ran [Mecca in Arabic], and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (From the King James Version Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"
As we clearly see, the number 10,000 is mentioned in the verse. I don't know which Bible Mr. Lee Perl is using, but the KJV Bible is probably a stronger one, unless his Bible is an older one.
Keep in mind also, that Deuteronomy 33:2 is not the only verse that prophesied about the 10,000 saints liberating Paran. As I mentioned in my open challenge paper, Jude 1:14-15 also makes the same prophecy:
"And Enoch [Idris in Arabic, one of Allah Almighty's Prophets peace be upon all of them to the people of Israel.] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)"
Now, as to Deuteronomy 33:2 prophesizing about the Jews bonding with the state of Israel, and Jesus is the one that fulfilled the Prophecy in the verse is a clear misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about the Bible, with all due respect to Mr. Lee Perl and his research. Jesus has nothing to do with Deuteronomy 33:2 and the state of Paran.
He wrote:
As for Paran's location I will addmit I have nothing that states whether it is or is not Mecca. I can only go by current geographical information of today, and I have my personal doubts that it is or was Mecca.
My response:
Mr. Lee Perl, please visit The city of Mecca in the Bible to see clear proofs that the Bible's Paran (Bacca) is indeed Saudi Arabia's Mecca today.
He wrote:
It may appear that Muhammad ended idol worship, but lets expose Islam a little more. Islam is difined as Submission to God, as history has documented Muhammad capitalized upon Submission. You convert at the end of a sword or die by the sword, history and current wordly locations document this very well.
My response:
Mr. Lee Perl, with all due respect, but it would be very much good for you if you dedicate some personal time and study the Islamic history more closely and in more details and objectively from the Islamic perspective, because these cheap and general remarks that I often hear from Islam-hating Christians about Islam in an attempt to sum up Islam in couple shallow words or sentences, and trying to picture it as an evil religion is quite offending and ridiculous!
Allah Almighty doesn't command His Servants to use force in converting people into Islam. Let me share with you few Noble Verses from the Noble Quran that will hopefully shed some light in this subject:
"Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error...(The Noble Quran, 2:256)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand. (The Noble Quran, 10:99-100)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on! (The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
Please visit Apostates in Islam for more Noble Verses and details.
He wrote:
Muhammad was very loyal to his beleifs and enforced them totally. As for being fruitful, I will agree, but one must note that Muhammad had many wives and a few, by todays standards, were pre-teen in age while he was up in age.
My response:
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him had to deal with wars that were imposed upon him and his followers, because the Arab pagan tribes felt threatened about their religions vanishing, because Islam was literally sweeping them out peacefully, and the poors and the oppressed from the pagan Arabs were racing for conversions to Islam, because they saw the real Justice and Mercy in Islam that their pagan religions lacked in a great deal.
That is why the pagans declared many wars against Islam. That is why Islam is looked at as a religion that was spread by the "sword". Islam wasn't spread by the sword by CHOICE. Muslims had to deal with the reality that was imposed upon them. They had to fight and kill when they were left with no choice for peace. Allah Almighty said:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
Human rights and equality in Islam V.S. Christianity.
Now as to Prophet Muhammad's marriages, the Bible's Prophets literally had 100s of wives
and slave girls. And given the fact that girls during those days used to marry at
very young ages, then what makes you be so sure Mr. Perl that non of the Bible's Prophets
married young girls while they were much older than them?
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him married only one young girl. But the Bible's Prophets married 100s of women, and the possibility of them marrying young girls is quite high. So does that make them unfruitful Prophets? Does that make them liars?
Did you know that according to the Jews and Roman Catholics, it is suggested that Mary peace be upon her was only between the ages of 12 and 14 when she got pregnant with Jesus? So given the worst case scenario, which in this case would be the age of 12, would that make Christianity an unfruitful religion because Mary got pregnant at the age of 12, a very young age indeed?
Please visit Prophet Muhammad's marriage with Aisha for more details and proofs about everything I mentioned above.
And by the way Mr. Perl, the Bible not only allowed for it's Prophets to marry 100s of wives each, but it also allows for any of it's male followers to marry an INFINITE amount of women!
Please visit Polygamy in the Bible's OT and NT to see the proofs for yourself.
He wrote:
Challenge #2 - Isaiah 21:7 - Isaiah is prophecising about Babylon's fall. As to the mention of the riders (horsemen, donkey and camel) Isaiah was referring to the messanger that would be bring the news of Babylon's fall. My Bible makes no reference to "Couple of horsement", mine states "Teams of Horses". No reference made to the number of riders.
My response:
I don't know which Bible you're using Mr. Perl, but according to the King James Version Bible, yes there is a number of riders as clearly shown below.
The event of "Fall of Babylon" has nothing to do with the Prophecy. Prophet Isaiah saw the two chariots riding the camel and donkey, but he never said that they will do it during the time of Babel's destruction. It is similar to when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him predicted that the King of Persia was going to fall and his empire will be invaded by the Muslims, and the Kingdom of Rome will be shaken, while he was farming. According to history, the Muslims did indeed invade Persia (Iran today) and converted it to Islam. They also did defeat the Christian Romans and shook their empire.
The point is: Him farming and him seeing the fall of Persia and the defeat of Rome are separate. They are not associated. You can't conclude that Persia was going to fall and Rome get defeated by the time Muhammad finished farming on that day. That would be a wrong and illogical conclusion.
Anyway back to the subject, so the fall of Babylon and Isaiah's Prophecy are not associated. Also, Jesus peace be upon him did fulfill one part of Isaiah 21:7. Jesus as you might know came 700 years after Isaiah. I will again repaste the verse (Isaiah 21:7) for the reader's convenience:
"And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed: (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 21:7)"
And now I will also repaste Jesus' fulfillment to one part of the Prophecy:
"And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
(John 12:14)"The quote
"as it is written" is referring to Isaiah 21:7, unless you can prove to me otherwise. The Bible's New Testament did not fulfill the riding of the camel Prophecy. That Prophecy was not fulfilled in the entire Bible! Only Islam fulfilled it. Again, please reader my open challenge #2 to read the details about Prophet Muhammad fulfilling the Prophecy, and how his camel even played an important role in solving a problem. I do not wish to repaste a great deal of information here.
He wrote:
As for the mode of transportation that Jesus used, it was mostly by foot or by boat at that time. However, it was prophecised that Jesus would ride on a donkey on his final trip (ref. Zec 9:9, Mt. 21:2-7, Mk. 11:2 and Lk. 19:30).
My response:
Let us look at the verses you mentioned:
"Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. (From the NIV Bible, Zechariah 9:9)"
"saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away." This took place to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: "Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.' " The disciples went and did as Jesus had instructed them. They brought the donkey and the colt, placed their cloaks on them, and Jesus sat on them. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 21:2-7)"
"saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and just as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 11:2)"
"Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 19:30)"
It is crystal clear and irrefutable from the verses you mentioned that Jesus peace be upon him was prophesied to ride a donkey in the Old Testament. But however, this still doesn't nullify my point in Isaiah 21:7. For more clarification, let us look at the entire chapter of Isaiah 21 from the King James Version Bible:
Isaiah 21
1 The burden of the desert of the sea. As whirlwinds in the
south pass through; so it cometh from the desert, from a terrible land.
2 A grievous vision is declared unto me; the treacherous dealer dealeth treacherously, and
the spoiler spoileth. Go up, O Elam: besiege, O Media; all the sighing thereof have I made
to cease.
3 Therefore are my loins filled with pain: pangs have taken hold upon me, as the pangs of
a woman that travaileth: I was bowed down at the hearing of it; I was dismayed at the
seeing of it.
4 My heart panted, fearfulness affrighted me: the night of my pleasure hath he turned into
fear unto me.
5 Prepare the table, watch in the watchtower, eat, drink: arise, ye princes, and anoint
the shield.
6 For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth.
7 And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a
chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed:
8 And he cried, A lion: My lord, I stand continually upon the watchtower in the daytime,
and I am set in my ward whole nights:
9 And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered
and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath
broken unto the ground.
10 O my threshing, and the corn of my floor: that which I have heard of the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel, have I declared unto you.
11 The burden of Dumah. He calleth to me out of Seir, Watchman, what of the night?
Watchman, what of the night?
12 The watchman said, The morning cometh, and also the night: if ye will enquire, enquire
ye: return, come.
13 The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling
companies of Dedanim.
14 The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they
prevented with their bread him that fled.
15 For they fled from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from
the grievousness of war.
16 For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an
hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail:
17 And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar,
shall be diminished: for the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.
Let's pay close attention at the quote "And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen," in Isaiah 21:7. The "he saw" quote clearly proves that the narrator had a vision, a prophecy, about the two horsemen. If you also pay attention to the way chapter Isaiah 21 was written, it will become obvious to you that it is written to predict future events that don't necessarily have to OCCUR at the same time.
For instance, the chapter talks about the destruction of Babylon, and how a morning is coming after that. It then goes on to talk about Arabia, which is totally different than the Empire of Babel during that time (had different language, culture, rulings and pagan religions all together).
So it is clear that chapter Isaiah 21 is not talking about one simple event that were to occur in one single day where everything would happen at the same time or close time.
The point from this is that the two Chariots that Isaiah saw in Chapter 21, one riding a donkey and the other riding a camel, don't necessarily have to BE RIDING THE ANIMALS ON THE SAME DAY OR EVEN AGE.
It is actually very interesting that Isaiah 21 mentioned both Arabia and Babylon along with mentioning the two riders of the donkey and the camel, because it is quite clear that since Babylon was the Empire that destroyed the Jews, and Jesus was a Jew, then THE RIDING OF THE DONKEY PROPHECY/VISION IS ABOUT PROPHET JESUS since other verses in the Old Testament Prophesized about him riding the donkey as well, while the destruction of Arabia and the diminishing of the people of Kedar (the son of Ishmael peace be upon him) did happen through the complete elimination of the idols and paganism in Arabia through Islam and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. And as I explained in my open challenge about Prophet Muhammad's camel and the role the Prophet made it play to solve what would've been a potential problem among the Muslim community, it becomes clear that the PROPHECY/VISION IN ISAIAH 21 ABOUT THE CAMEL IS INDEED ABOUT PROPHET MUHAMMAD.
He wrote:
Challenge #3 - Gen. 12:1-3 - God made a covenant with Abraham to provide him with a land, Make Abraham a great nation, bless his offspring (both Issac and Ishmael).
My response:
Yes, the blessing of Ishmael's offspring in Genesis 12:1-3 is the religion of Islam and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him (who has a direct blood link with Ishmael), that eliminated paganism and slavery in the lands of Kedar (Arabia) and brought GOD Almighty's Mercy and Light unto them.
He wrote:
As for Ishmael and the entire Arab/Muslim nation you must reference Gen. 16: 11-12. The angle of God told Hagar, "you are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." This kind of sounds like the history of the Middleast, past and present, even the attitude towards the U.S.A. In fact, most recent wars and battles (Bosnia/Kosovo/ etc...) have been initiated by the Arab/Muslim. Major humanitarian violation continue today by Arab/Muslim followers. Sudan still practices the trade of slavery, groups in Egypt still force conversions (rape, disfigurement, branding, etc..) from other denomination to Islam. What God spoke in Gen. 16:11-12 is true.
My response:
After reading chapter Genesis 16 from the King James Version Bible, I immediately saw how much the NIV Bible translators are rude and liars! Let us look at the chapter from the King James Version Bible:
Genesis 16
1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an
handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray
thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened
to the voice of Sarai.
3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years
in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived,
her mistress was despised in her eyes.
5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom;
and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge
between me and thee.
6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thine hand; do to her as it pleaseth
thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the
fountain in the way to Shur.
8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she
said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself
under her hands.
10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it
shall not be numbered for multitude.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt
bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's
hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she
said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
14 Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
16 And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
Exposing the liars of the NIV Bible:
The NIV Bible said Ishmael will be a "wild donkey of a man", while the King James Version Bible says "wild man" in Genesis 16:12 above. The NIV Bible also says that Ishmael will live in "hostility" among his brethrens, while the King James Version Bible says "he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren". As to Ishmael being against his Arab brethrens and them being against him in the Arabia, well it's all normal, since he is a true believer of GOD Almighty, while the Arabs during his days were idol worshipers and pagans. So Genesis 16:12 does not disprove Islam Mr. Perl.
Now, as to Arabs and Muslims today causing so much hostility in the world, please give me a brake! You obviously watch too much Western media. It is the West that has the Nuclear weapons that can wipe out every organism out of the face of this earth, not the Arabs/Muslims. It is the West that continuously exploits the under developed nations and enforces the dictatorships there so the wealth of those countries can be easily managed by the US since the entire country's wealth fully controlled by the dictators and their families.
I heard on CNN that Saudi Arabia and it's billionaires have put in the US and its financial institutions (such as the banks and stock market) $750 billion American dollars in a 30-years span! Saudi Arabia is ruled by a king and his royal family who are puppet government for the US.
So basically when the US imports oil from the Arab countries, it makes sure that the money the US already paid for that oil gets put in the US, hence the money in other words gets transferred back into the US.
That is why the US supports such dictatorships. It is important that they keep only a small amount of people dominating and fully controlling these countries, so that these countries would be easier to manage by the American CIA.
Of course, I don't expect you to understand anything from what I just said Mr. Perl, with all due respect to you, because I did not have much success in convincing many Americans about this Truth. They chose to stay ignorant and blind. They're too busy mastering sex and worshiping money.
He wrote:
As for the Arab/Muslim being cursed, God spoke it to Hagar in Gen. 16:11-12. The blessing God spoke of to Abraham is in relation to the Covenant that he made with Abraham and Saraha for a child, which is Issac. As for the blessing for this nation, it is Israel, which comes from Issac.
My response:
The only cursed ones here are the liars of the NIV Bible translators who successfully deceived you by inserting words that did not exist in the original documents!
As to the Nation of Israel being the blessed ones, please visit GOD in the Bible will take His Kingdom from the Jews and give it to another Nation.
He wrote:
One can be cursed whether or not you bow and worship to what you perceive to be God on a regular basis or where you worship. Accepting and knowing what God speaks and has spoken and honoring God with All you Heart, Mind and Soul is what seperates you from the sinners of this world. Without accepting God's word you are already cursed.
My response:
The Jews and the Muslims have a great thing in common: As long as you believe in GOD Almighty and associate no partners with Him, then you will be saved. This is supported by the following verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:
Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to
test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal
life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read
it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with
all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your
neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this
and you will live."
"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"
It is the modern trinitarian Christians that have corrupted the concept of believing in GOD Almighty, and started forcing the idea of "believing in GOD alone is not enough. You must believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior". GOD Almighty is not complicated Mr. Perl. It is concept of trinity that had corrupted the Bible is what's terrifying people and causing them to fear GOD Almighty.
Why should you believe in Jesus, a man created from dust, as the creator of the Universe, when Jesus himself refuted this nonsense? Please visit Questions about Jesus and Trinity that Trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.
Also, please visit Jesus in the Bible guaranteed Paradise to non-Trinitarians and even non-Christians who are Monotheists.
He wrote:
In conclusion, the mention or prophecy of Muhammad in the Bible, by Prophets or by Jesus is not true. The comforter that you mention is of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. The Holy Ghost/Spirit that you claim in the forecoming of Muhammad is in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. With that being the case that alone would defeat your theory of the prophetic coming of Muhammad.
My response:
Both the Old and New Testaments foretold Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him BY THE NAME. I proved this from the original Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew scriptures, and not through the deceiving and weak English translations that you use, especially the NIV Bible's liars as I clearly exposed them above.
Please visit Prophet Muhammad was foretold by the name in the Bible.
He wrote:
What it boils down too is not the comparison of your God's miracles versus my God's miracles, but rather the state of your soul versus the state of my soul. And this I will compare. My soul has been given to the one true Lord, Jesus Christ, and my name has been written in the Book of Life. And when my time has come I will rejoice knowing that my eternal salvation will be in the hands of Jesus Christ. Now for you, when your time comes you'll have to surrender your soul to those principalities of darkness that own the right to it and drag you and your soul to hell. It's a choice that we all must make, now or later, and rest assured we all will make a choice. Which choice will you make, your life depends upon it. I pray to God that your heart and mind will be touched and that God will give you the wisdom of Solomon.
My response:
First of all, as to "my God vs your God", please visit GOD Almighty's original name in the Bible was indeed "Allah" according to the original Hebrew and Aramaic sources. I provided images and references that clearly prove the point.
As to being saved by "Jesus Christ", like I said above Mr. Perl, the modern trinitarians have corrupted the concept of believing in the One True Living GOD Almighty. They have corrupted the concept of Salvation. I just showed you a quote from Jesus peace be upon him himself that clearly refutes your claim. Jesus said in Luke 10:25-28 above that if you believe in GOD Almighty and love Him with all your heart and strength, then YOU WILL LIVE. Again, please visit Jesus in the Bible guaranteed Paradise to non-Trinitarians and even non-Christians who are Monotheists.
Please also visit Answering Trinity to see the Absolute Oneness of GOD Almighty in the Bible, and the clear refutation to the trinity lie.
Thank you, and may GOD Almighty bless you!