Rebuttal on a Message Board:
Below are rebuttals by Mr. Ed to my claims and my responses to his rebuttals.
My open Challenge #1:
Osama- We also read about the same prophecy by Prophet Enoch peace be upon him: "And Enoch [Idris in Arabic, one of Allah Almighty's Prophets peace be upon all of them to the people of Israel.] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)"
Ed- This can't possibly refer to Muhammad or Muslims, because as we are taught in 1 John 4:1,2: Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
Osama- Mr. Ed forgot that the 30 books of the New Testament were written 150 to 300
years after Jesus peace be upon him. So his claim in 1 John 4:1,2 is not valid, especially
when the Bible's own theologians regard the book of 1 John as a corrupt one:
The following is taken from www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
"....Unlike most NT letters, 1 John does not tell us who its author is. The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers...(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
This is really ironic! with all respect due to Christians. If the Book's author is not for sure known, then why assume that it was Saint John who wrote it?
Please visit The lie of 1 John 5:7 (http://www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm). This verse was later discovered to be a Satanic lie. The Roman Catholic Theologians don't believe in it, and it doesn't exist in their Bibles.
The same case where no author is really known exists in the Gospels of 2 and 3 John.
Ed- Since the Koran denies that Jesus came in the flesh (or was God in the flesh, I mean
every human comes in the flesh), we know that it was not of God and so followers of the
Koran can't be considered saints. If this prophecy has been fulfilled, it was not by
Muhammad. It may not have been fulfilled yet though.
Osama- Mr. Ed, there are numerous errors and contradictions between the Old Testament and the New Testament. How can you consider Jesus as your "lord and savior", when the Old Testament clearly refutes this claim?
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 43:11)"
Jesus also in Luke 10:25-28 refuted trinity and openly admitted that your belief in the One True Living GOD Almighty alone will save you.
Please visit http://www.answering-christianity.com/savior_contradiction.htm for more details.
My open Challenge #2:
Osama- Prophet Isaiah peace be upon him prophesied that two leaders whom he called "Chariot" would come -- one riding a donkey, and another riding a camel: "And he saw a chariot with a couple of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a chariot of camels; and he hearkened diligently with much heed: (From the King James Version Bible, Isaiah 21:7)"
Ed- As we see from reading a mere 2 verses later, this is a prophecy about the fall of babylon. Babylon fell centuries before Muhammad was born (or the fall of babylon has been prophecied to occur centuries after Muhammad died). In either case, this has nothing to do with him.
Osama- The vision was not limited to the fall of Babylon. Chapter Isaiah 21 talks about the fall of the two pagan States: Babylon and Arabia. The two states today are no longer pagan states. They are Muslim States. The fall of Babylon has nothing to do with the two Chariots that Isaiah saw, especially after knowing that Jesus in John 12:14 fulfilled the prophecy:
"And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, (John 12:14)"
Let me remind you Mr. Ed, that Jesus came 700 years after Isaiah. So, your point is completely invalid.
My open Challenge #3:
Osama- In the Old Testament, we read about GOD Almighty promising to create "Great
Nations" from Ishmael, Abraham's first Son and the father of the Muslims: Genesis
12:1-3 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's
household and go to the land I will show you. "I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will
bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."
Osama- How can GOD Almighty call the Muslims, who came from Ishmael, a "great nation" if they are as the modern Christians of today consider them to be "Satan's followers"?
Ed- Ishmael and his descendents never denied that Jesus was God until long after Gen. 12 was written. Incidentally, in Gen. 46:3 God told Jacob: And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation. So in consistency with his great nation defense, does Omar oppose all of the Islamic attacks against Israel?
Osama- We are not talking about Jacob here. We're talking about Abraham and his son Ishmael:
Genesis 12:1-3
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's
household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name
great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples
on earth will be blessed through you."
The quote "go to the land I will show you" is referring to the city of Paran (Mecca). See the Biblical proofs here.
Osama- The quote "I will make you into a great nation" is quite interesting. How can GOD Almighty call the Muslims, who came from Ishmael, a "great nation" if they are as the modern Christians of today consider them to be "Satan's followers"? How can we be a "great nation" in the eyes of GOD Almighty if we are hated by Him?
Osama- The quote "I will bless those who bless you" perfectly fits the Muslims. As you probably know, we Muslims worship Allah Almighty by prostrating to Him. Every time we pray and prostrate, we end our prayer by sitting on our knees and say the following exact quote:
"........and bless Prophet Muhammad and the people of Prophet Muhammad, like You blessed Prophet Abraham and the people of Prophet Abraham........"
Osama- As you clearly see, we bless Prophet Abraham every single day of our lives when we pray to Allah Almighty. We also do say "peace be upon him" or "peace and blessings be upon him" when we refer to his name or any other Prophet's name.
Osama- How can the Muslims be cursed and considered satan followers when GOD Almighty in Genesis 12:3 blesses them because they bless Abraham?
Ed- Once again: 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
Osama- Once again, the book of 1 John in the New Testament is a corrupt one, just like most of the New Testament. The 30 books of the New Testament were picked from 24,000 false manuscripts. How do you know that the 30 that were chosen are not corrupt and false as well? And how do you know that there are true manuscripts that were not picked?
Is this how you evaluate the Word of GOD Almighty? By inserting man's corruption into it? Please visit http://www.answering-christianity.com/comforter_rebuttal.htm
Osama- How can the Muslims be cursed by GOD Almighty when they bow down to Him and only Him in prostration?
Ed- You are worshipping whoever gave the message to Muhammad. He is in conflict with God almighty. I pray that one day you'll all be free from him....
Ma-a salaama....
Ed
Osama- We are worshiping the One True Living GOD Almighty. Did you know that GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible was "Allah"? I have the proofs from Hebrew and Aramaic sources listed with screen shots at: www.answering-christianity.com/allah.htm
Best wishes,
Osama Abdallah