|
Rebuttal to Silas’s article By Sami Zaatari
He Wrote
ABSTRACT
INTRODUCTION I provide a lot of detail in this article; I want to quote the references in full to provide the proper context. I also quote the sources as they are written in English. Some of the words are arcane, but I want to present the words as they have been translated into English. Kab was a Jew. He hated Muhammad. Kab never lifted a weapon against Muhammad or any Muslim, he only voiced his opinion against Muhammad, and made up some unsavory poems about Muslim women. Muhammad saw him as a threat, and therefore had him murdered in the night. The Jews around Medina were not under Muhammad's rule; they had only entered into a general agreement with the Muslims, but this agreement was not a formal, established treaty. Muhammad did not have legal right to murder Kab, rather he took it upon himself to get rid of a man who hated him.
My Response
I would like to thank Silas for exposing himself. Note what Silas claims:
Kab was a Jew. He hated Muhammad. Kab never lifted a weapon against Muhammad or any Muslim, he only voiced his opinion against Muhammad, and made up some unsavory poems about Muslim women. Muhammad saw him as a threat, and therefore had him murdered in the night. Silas is making the claim that Kab simply insulted Muhammad and some Muslim women, nothing else. As we shall shortly see, Kab did much worse than simply attack the prophet Muhammad and insult Muslim women.
We shall also see that Kab was not killed because of his insults to the prophet or the Muslims. He was killed for some other reason, which I shall be showing shortly.
However so, I would once again like to thank Silas for exposing himself, for proving that he is a cheap liar, and a typical missionary.
He Wrote
PRESENTATION OF ISLAMIC
SOURCES
My Response
As we shall shortly see, there is some more to this story. As to your summary points in which you claimed:
2) Muhammad got someone else to do his dirty
work. Muhammad did not partake in killing the man who was hurting
Allah, and himself. We shall shortly see why the prophet Muhammad did not personally kill Kab but had someone else do it, this all has to do with what Kab did, which Silas has yet to mention
As to Silas’s third point in which he said:
In warfare it is okay to lie to your enemy, most people will agree on me with this. Secondly why should Silas have any problems with lying? Since as we shall shortly see that he is the liar.
He Wrote
Now we will examine other
source references to this event.
My Response
I find it very sad, that Silas cannot mention the whole story, he got very close to doing so, but couldn’t show more, the closest he got is when he mentioned this:
QUOTE FROM THE
SIRAT RASULALLAH So as we see now, there is a bit more to this story, note also that the Sirat Silas quotes expose him as a liar, note what Silas said earlier:
Kab was a Jew. He hated Muhammad. Kab never lifted a weapon against Muhammad or any Muslim, he only voiced his opinion against Muhammad, and made up some unsavory poems about Muslim women. Muhammad saw him as a threat, and therefore had him murdered in the night. Why did not Silas also mention the fact that Kab went to the prophet Muhammad’s enemy and incited against Muhammad with them? Why did Silas leave this valuable information out?
As we can see already, Kab did not simply insult the prophet Muhammad and Muslim women. He did much more, he went to the prophet’s enemies and incited against Muhammad alongside them. So this just exposes Silas as a liar. However I will shortly quote the whole story, of what Kab actually did with those Qurayshi enemies.
He Wrote
Ibn Sa'd's
Kitab al-Tabaqat
al-Kabir adds another interesting
feature to this story. From the Tabaqat,
vol 2, page 37:
My Response
This gets better by the minute, now note how Silas changes his tone from what he earlier said:
Note what really happened here. Ka'b encouraged Muhammad's enemies
So now Silas admits that Kab did incite Muhammad’s enemies against him, however so at the beginning of his article, Silas made it seem that all Kab did was insult the prophet and Muslim women! This just shows you why you can never trust a missionary.
Silas even shoots himself in the foot when he says that. Note, Silas admits that KAB INCITED MUHAMMAD’S ENEMIES AGAINST HIM. In other words, Kab incited the Quyraysh to FIGHT AND KILL MUHAMMAD. However so Silas wants to ignore that! Silas has no problem with people who try to kill and fight God’s true messenger Muhammad, Silas has a problem when the prophet Muhammad retaliates against them!
So I could just stop here, Silas refutes himself, Silas shows that it was Kab who incited the Quraysh to go kill and fight Muhammad, therefore the prophet Muhammad had every right to go and send someone to kill Kab for doing such a thing. There was no injustice done at all, Kab incited people to kill Muhammad and Muslims, so therefore he became an enemy, it doesn’t matter if Kab did not raise a weapon. Using that logic then that means that every accomplice in a murder case is free to go since they never really committed the crime, they just helped out!
In today’s legal system, if you incite murder that is seen as a crime and you yourself are guilty of murder as well. This is exactly what Kab did; he incited murder and violence, so therefore he was taken care of.
Also Silas further exposes himself when he tries to take a cheap shot at the prophet Muhammad when states:
Muhammad didn't like it
Tell me what man would like it if some one was inciting people to come kill you, and to come fight you.
He Wrote
QUESTIONS
My Response
Silas seems to enjoy twisting things around, he seems to enjoy ignoring the fact that it was Kab who was inciting people to come and kill the prophet Muhammad, and he was doing this during the time of war.
I am grateful that Silas says:
4) What does this say about the real character
of Muhammad? How would such actions be judged in America today? America has gone to war attacking people who have incited and planned attacks against them. Just like the prophet Muhammad did against Kab, he attacked Kab for inciting and planning attacks against the Muslims. So therefore you have no point in bringing America up.
Secondly, since you bring America up as if to show America is a leader by example, what do you have to say about gay marriages? The porn industry, and many other sick things. Does Silas view gay marriages as something okay? Does Silas view pornography as something normal? If not, then what’s the point in bringing America up? It’s not like America is a country who leads by example.
Silas also says:
5) What other types
of people dispatch men to commit murder in the night? The American army does! The United States of America does that, the country you brought up! Talk about being dumb! (No offense)
Now Silas seems to have double standards when it comes to people getting killed. Silas has a problem when the prophet Muhammad kills a criminal, yet Silas has no problem when his God murders innocent children!
Deuteronomy 32-37 And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us
Deuteronomy 1-7 1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves
The bible also commands people to kill others if they worship other Gods:
Deuteronomy 6-18
6
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy
son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which
is as thine own soul, entice thee
secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast
not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round
about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of
the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8
Thou shalt not
consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall
thine eye pity him, neither
shalt thou spare, neither
shalt thou conceal him:
9
But thou shalt surely
kill him; thine hand shall be first upon
him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
10
And thou shalt stone
him with stones, that he die; because
he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which
brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
11
And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do
no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
So Silas must stay a bit consistent in the way he deals with things. If the prophet Muhammad is not a prophet for killing a criminal, then Silas’s God is doubly not God for not only killing people, but for killing innocent children!
He Wrote
CONCLUSION
My Response
More and more twisting from Silas, the prophet Muhammad killed Kab because Kab incited people to kill Muhammad. So therefore no crime was done.
As for the actions of a real prophet, would you mind telling us what they are? Or maybe I should tell you? I think I will tell you, according to Silas these are the actions of real prophets:
2 Samuel 11: 1-27 :
And it came to pass, after
the year was expired, at the time when kings go forth to battle,
that David sent Joab, and his servants
with him, and all Israel; and they destroyed the children of
Ammon, and besieged
Rabbah. But David tarried still at
Jerusalem.
2
And it came to pass in an
eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked
upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman
washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon.
3
And David sent and inquired after the woman. And
one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of
Eliam,
the wife of
Uriah the Hittite?
4
And David sent messengers, and took her; and
she came in unto
him, and he lay with her;
for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her
house. 5
And the woman conceived, and sent and told David,
and said, I am with child.
So David not only has sex with his neighbours wife. He is also responsible for the death of his mistresses husband!
Also
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
So Joshua the prophet killed all men and women.
So tell us Silas, what are the actions of a real prophet? As we can see, Joshua had no problem in killing the enemies of God. So why do you have a problem with the prophet Muhammad killing an enemy of God?
He Wrote
MUHAMMAD COMPARED TO
JESUS' WORDS ashraf.htm
My Response
If Muhammad followed in those footsteps, so did Joshua, and so did Moses, for they not only killed, they killed women and children:
Numbers 31: 7-18 :
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
So therefore Moses is not a prophet either. So Once again, thank you Silas for exposing yourself. I couldn’t really ask for more.
Now anyway, here is the story of Kab and why he was killed.
Taken from
The Life of the Prophet Muhammad volume III by Ibn Kathir.
THE KILLING OF KA’B B. AL-SHRAF, THE JEW
Ibn Ishaq stated, “ Ka’b b. al-Ashraf was of the Ta’I tribe, of the sub-tribe of Banu Nabhan, though his mother was of Banu al-Nadir. He received news of the deaths of those at Badr after the arrival of Zayd b. Al- Haritha and ‘Abd Allah b. Rawaha. He commented, ‘ By God, if Muhammad has really struck down those people, then better be inside the earth than upon it! “When this enemy of God was sure of this news, he left for Mecca, where he visited al-Muttalib b. Abu Wada’a b.Dubayrat al- Samhi, whose wife was ‘Atika, daughter of Abu al- Is b. Ummayya b. ‘Abd Shams b. ‘Abd Manaf. She accommodated him graciously AND HE BEGAN INSTIGATING AN ATTACK UPON THE MESSENGER OF GOD (SAAS) speaking verses and mourning the deaths of those polytheists killed at Badr.”
Here Ibn Ishaq gave his poem which begins with the verse,
“The Badr millstone ground to death those killed there, and for the like of Badr one speaks and weeps.”
He also gave the response to this poem by Hassan b. Thabit, may God be pleased with him, as well as verse by others. He went on, “ Ka’b then returned to Medina where he composed verses suggestive about the Muslim women and critical of the prophet (SAAS) and his followers. Musa b. Uqba stated, “Ka’b b. al- Ashraf was of Banu al-Nadir, or associated with them, he harmed the messenger of God (SAAS) by ridiculing him in verse AND HE RODE TO QURAYSH TO INCITE THEM FURTHER. Abu Sufyan, in Mecca, asked him, ‘ In your view, I pray you tell me, which religion is more favored by God, that of Muhammad and his friends, or our own? Which of us do you think, is more correct and appropriate? We slaughter our meat generously, give milk-topped water to drink, providing food for all sundry who come.’ “Ka’b b al-Ashraf replied, ‘ You are better-guided in your path than they are.’ Pg. 6-7
So as you can all see, Ka’b was the one who started the trouble, he not only insulted the prophet Muhammad. He went to the prophet’s enemies, and incited them against Muhammad, he obviously incited them to fight and kill the prophet Muhammad. So therefore as we see, Ka’b was not innocent, nor did he just insult the prophet and the Muslims, he instigated violence and murder and was rightly punished.
What is even more interesting to note from that account is that Ka’b even compromised his own faith! Note what he said in response to Abu Sufyan:
Abu Sufyan, in Mecca, asked him, ‘ In your view, I pray you tell me, which religion is more favored by God, that of Muhammad and his friends, or our own? Which of us do you think, is more correct and appropriate? We slaughter our meat generously, give milk-topped water to drink, providing food for all sundry who come.’ “Ka’b b al-Ashraf replied, ‘ You are better-guided in your path than they are.’
This exposes Ka’b’s hypocrisy, the Quraysh were idol worshipers, they believed in around 360 idols, including Hubal. The Torah, which is the book that Ka’b believes in, condemns such idol worship, and condemns the worship of Hubal, yet Ka’b told them that they are better guided than Muslims! If Ka’b was an honest good person, he would have said that both you and the Muslims are on the wrong path, rather he compromised his own faith which is so against idol worship. This just shows the hypocrisy of Ka’b.
In fact, if you read the OT, Ezekiel and Isaiah, you will find God cursing and killing the children of Israel for idol worship! Yet Ka’b the Jew, has no problem in idol worship and goes as far as telling the idol worshipers that they are better guided!
What makes this all the more interesting is that the prophet Muhammad was calling people to come worship one God, the prophet Muhammad did not call people to idols, yet Ka’b still insists that idol worshippers are better than people who call people to the one true God, which is the same message of Ka’b’s own book, the Torah! So as we see, Ka’b is also a hypocrite, and he also compromised his own belief. In fact he would most likely be killed by Moses and the prophets of the OT for claiming idol worship is something good, and is a better path than worshiping the one and true God.
What does Silas have to say about Ka’b’s hypocrisy? I can tell you most Jews would most likely be disgusted by such hypocrisy, yet Silas seems fond of trying to make it seem that Ka’b was killed mainly on the fact he was a Jew. As we see, Ka’b was anything but a true Jew, he was a hypocrite.
Continuing with the story:
Musa went on, “ And so God revealed to his Messenger the verses: “Have you not considered those given a part of the Book who believe in enchantment and devils, and who say to those who disbelieve, “ These are better guided on the path than those who believe (in God). “ They are indeed cursed by God; those whom God curses you shall find to be without succour’ ” ( surat al-Nisa; IV, v.51,2). Both Musa and Ibn Ishaq stated further, “ He went to Medina where he proclaimed his enmity and INCITED PEOPLE TO GO TO WAR. He had not left Mecca BEFORE HE HAD UNITED THEM TO FIGHT THE MESSENGER OF GOD (SAAS); he then began composing amatory verses about Umm al-Fadl b. al-Harith and other Muslim women. Pg. 7
So again as you see, Ka’b incited people to war, and he managed to unite the enemies of the prophet Muhammad to go and fight against him, to kill him and the Muslims.
Since Silas brought up the issue of how people would deal with this in the present day world, we will be more than happy in telling him how people would act to this.
In today’s world if you incite war, violence, and murder, you will be labelled as a criminal, and you will be punished, sometimes you will also be severely punished depending on the outcome of your incitement of violence etc.
Not only was Ka’b inciting hatred, war, and murder. He was inciting these actions against a prophet of God, so therefore double the crime. So the prophet Muhammad rightly punished him.
Now I earlier stated:
2) Muhammad got someone else to do his dirty
work. Muhammad did not partake in killing the man who was hurting
Allah, and himself.
We shall shortly see why the prophet Muhammad did not personally kill Kab but had someone else do it, this all has to do with what Kab did, which Silas has yet to mention
Once we read the entire story, which Silas couldn’t show us, it becomes perfectly clear as to why the prophet Muhammad sent someone else to kill Ka’b.
Just like Ka’b incited people to fight the prophet Muhammad, telling them to kill him and so on. The prophet returned the favor, just like Ka’b told people to fight Muhammad and kill him, the prophet Muhammad told the Muslims who would go fight and kill Ka’b. Had Ka’b directly went and tried to kill the prophet, the prophet would then directly go and kill Ka’b. However so, Ka’b told others to go kill Muhammad and to fight him, after the prophet Muhammad found out, he told the Muslims who would go fight and kill Ka’b.
So as we see, Ka’b the hypocrite was the one who started all the problems, for himself, and for the Muslims. The prophet Muhammad did not have Ka’b killed because he insulted the prophet or the Muslims, the prophet had Ka’b killed because Ka’b was instigating others to kill Muhammad. He was rightly punished for that crime; Ka’b was not an innocent man by any means. Once you go instigate violence, hatred, and murder against God’s prophet, you are bound to get punished. Ka’b the hypocrite brought this upon himself.
Praise Allah, and may Allah continue to send his blessings and peace on the prophet Muhammad. Ameen.
Appendix
Am I being rude?
Now some may object to my comments regarding Silas when I said:
However so, I would once again like to thank Silas for exposing himself, for proving that he is a cheap liar, and a typical missionary.
AND
So this just exposes Silas as a liar
Some may object to my calling him a liar, and a typical missionary. However so, I stand by my comments, as anyone reading the rebuttal will clearly see that I did in fact SHOW and PROVE that Silas is indeed a liar, and distorts things around. I even quoted his own words which shows how he changes his stance from to another, such as when he first claimed:
Kab was a Jew. He hated Muhammad. Kab never lifted a weapon against Muhammad or any Muslim, he only voiced his opinion against Muhammad, and made up some unsavory poems about Muslim women. Muhammad saw him as a threat, and therefore had him murdered in the night. AND THEN LATER ON SAID:
Note what really happened here. Ka'b encouraged Muhammad's enemies, and made up some poems about Muslim women. Muhammad didn't like it, and had him murdered. After they kill Ka'b, they behead him and bring the head to Muhammad. When Muhammad sees his head, Muhammad praises God for Ka'b being slain!
So as you can all see how he lied. At first he said Kab simply attacked the prophet Muhammad and the Muslims. Later on he added that Kab also went to the prophets enemies and encouraged them to fight Muhammad etc.
So this is enough proof to show he distorts, and lies. He realized he was first wrong, so later on tried to correct this, however so he still tried to not make a big deal of the issue of Kab going to Muhammads enemies to instigate them to fight him.
This however completely misses the whole point of Silas’s article! The prophet Muhammad killed Ka’b the hypocrite on this very fact, the fact that he instigated his enemies to fight and kill him!
The fact that Silas could not even quote the whole story, but just a small part of it shows he had something to hide, and did not want to give the whole story which further proves that he is a deceiver.
So therefore in light of all this, I may seem rude and offensive to Silas from his point of view, but as anyone can see, me calling Silas a liar and so on is not just a cheap shot aimed at him, but it’s a fact and I clearly proved it. As they say, the truth hurts.
I personally have no problem with Silas, or any other writer on Answering Islam, including Shamoun. However so, if I see clear distortions and blatant false information, I will not hesitate to point this out and call the author on it. Just like the writers on Answering Islam would.
|