The following was sent to me by Haleem; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
Response to Mainstream Christianity: The Nature of Christ
The Wrested Scriptures Page lists passages commonly used
to defend the erroneous views and outlines the correct understanding of these
passages.In referring to 'Mainstream Christianity', we speak of the principal
Christian groups, such as Catholics, Baptists, Evangelicals, Pentecostals,
etc.Please excuse the directness of the sections below; due to the nature of the
media, we felt it was best.
Mainstream Christian Teaching
The bulk of all Christianity teaches unequivocally that Jesus is
God. This claim is made without qualification. Typically, it is said that Jesus
is 100% man and 100% God: that Jesus was fully God, and never ceased to be God
while on earth. And usually, when it really gets down to the nitty-gritty, it is
said the whole issue (the Trinity) is a mystery.
Inherent Flaws:
The fundamental truth of the Bible is that God is One. Any teaching that
in any way appears to deviate from or undermime this profound truth must be very
firmly substantiated. The doctrine of the Trinity pretends to be such a
teaching, yet it is entirely absent from the entire Old Testament. This
doesn't make sense.
Mortality and Immortality are mutually exclusive characteristics. If Jesus is
God, he couldn't have really died, for God is immortal by nature.
Likewise, if Jesus died, he couldn't really be God, for God cannot die.
Immortality is not a fluctuating quality! A being is either mortal or immortal.
You can't have it both ways with this. Either Christ died, and he is mortal, or
he's God and can't die. Pick one alternative, as holding both is simply
untenable. Traditional Christians typically respond to this point with the idea
stated above in the introduction, that Jesus was fully human and fully God. But
look at the next point.
For the temptations of Christ to have been in any way real, there had to exist
the possibility that he sin. If Christ is God, it is impossible
that he could have sinned, for God is perfect by nature. Jesus pointed this out
in Mt 19:17, marking the distinction between himself and God (only ONE is
good...).
If Christ was God, and therefore couldn't sin, all his 'temptations' were
faked, and his identification with mankind a cruel sham! And for those affirming
the 100%/100% idea, do you really see God locking Himself into a nature that
could potentially sin? Finally, James explicitly states that God cannot be
tempted by evil (1:13-15).
Another point: God is all-knowing, Jesus learned (Luke 2:40, 52) during his
life, which implicitly means acquiring knowledge or wisdom not previously
possessed. In fact, there were some things Jesus never knew until after his
resurrection - like the date of his return (Mrk 13:32). Traditional Christian
thought (see above) has it that he never ceased to be God, so how did he learn?
Did he just 'forget' for a while, while on earth? Did he later "remember" that
he was omniscient? Again, omniscience and humanity are mutually exclusive
characteristics. And if you are omniscient, you can't shed that quality
temporarily.
God is undeniably all-powerful, while Jesus always acknowledged that his power
was received from God, not inherently his own (ie. Jn. 7:16, 8:28, 12:49-50,
14:28). He said this about his teaching as well, in many places. Why would
he say this if he and God were the one and same? In addition, when the disciples
requested to sit at his right hand and at his left, he said that this was not
his to give, but the Fathers' to decide (Mtt. 20:23). The usual response to
this is that the different persons of God have different domains of authority;
but there you would venture out onto thin ice indeed, as it is very difficult to
be One, yet have multiple and distinct personhoods, with distinct levels of
authority.
God is by nature invisible and never seen (Jn. 1:18, I Tim. 6:16, I Jn. 4:12);
Jesus was of course seen. To say that God was never seen, and then to continue
that Jesus is God just doesn't make sense. The idea that Jesus is God isn't a
mistery or some profound biblical truth too deep to understand - it just doesn't
make sense.
In the Bible, God = the Father, and no other. See Rom. 1:7, Col.3:17, I Thes.
1:1, II Tim 1:2 and many more (for example, the introductory words of
almost all Paul's letters). The appelations "the Father" and "Jesus" are never
used interchangeably in the Bible.
In Mtt. 28:10 Jesus speaks of his followers as "brethren". Are we children of
God, or brethren of God? We can't be both. It again follows from this simple
description of our relationships to them that Jesus and God occupy very distinct
stations. And in fact, how can a Father and Son be the one and same? Again, to
affirm so isn't a mistery, it's nonsense.
In Mtt. 3:17 God says: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" in a
voice from heaven as Jesus rose from the waters of baptism - What is the value
of God indicating his pleasure in Christ, if Christ was God himself? And what
had Christ supposedly achieved here, if he was God and it was impossible for him
by nature to sin or do wrong?
I Cor 11:3 and 15:8. Here are two more instances (post resurrection!) where
Christ is clearly not equal with God.
And the clincher: in John 8:17-18 Jesus quotes from the law the necessity that
evidence, to be valid, must be agreed upon by two witnesses. Jesus states that
the two witnesses are himself and God. Two, not one. If Jesus were God, there
was only one witness, and if Jesus says there are two, then he and God are
not one.
In Ephesians 5:2, Christ is described as a "fragrant offering and sacrifice to
God". This does not make sense if they are the one and same person. And in fact,
if Christ is God, could you really conceive as the all-powerful God, the only
creator of the universe, supreme in glory and majesty, as a 'sacrifice'? Here is
where we Christadelphians really have a problem with the supposed doctrine that
Jesus is God: it's a nice idea that God gave himself as a sacrifice for us; but
the all-powerful God of the universe as a pitiful sacrifice for me, a human
sinner? Somehow we just don't see it. However, the vision of Jesus as a perfect
man, the most loved son of God, overcoming the inherent weaknesses of the flesh
by prayer and determination: there is an image that makes sense.
What the Christadelphians Believe
We believe that Jesus was a man, born of a woman at a specific point in history. Being the son of God, he was not exactly as we are, though he was subject to the same weaknesses and desires we are. Through prayer, perseverance and strength of character, Jesus resisted the trials of sin to the point of giving up his life, rather than give in to the desires of the flesh. In doing so, Jesus opened a pathway to God for the rest of us, who are kept from God by our sins. Jesus is the son of God, who ascended to his Father's side 40 days after being raised from the dead. He could not remain dead, for God had said that we die because of sin, and Jesus had not sinned. Jesus will return to earth, at the time appointed by his Father, to start the long work of preparing the earth and humankind for ultimate reconciliation with the Creator. This site is maintained by Kevin Hunter of the Saanich Peninsula Ecclesia, in Victoria, B.C., Canada.