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Default Was Jesus Christ, even according to him, really the Lord of the Sabbath (Saturday)?

Was jesus Christ, even according to him, really the lord of the Sabbath (Saturday)?
The sections of this article are:
1- The importance of the Sabbath.
2- Jesus' explanation and excuses for breaking the Sabbath.
3- Do you honestly see any trinity in any of this??
4- Conclusion.

Trinitarian Christians are too desperate to prove their blaspheme about jesus being the Creator of the Universe. All Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone and only Alone, every single lie and deliberate mistranslation of theirs had been thoroughly refuted at the Answering Trinity section and elsewhere on the net.
One of these desperate and ridiculous lies is the lie of jesus christ being the lord of the Sabbath supposedly proves that he is GOD Almighty. Let us examine, in the following sections and in details, the Bible to see if this claim really stands up to scrutiny or not.


1- The importance of the Sabbath:
Exodus 20:8
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates.
11 For in six days the lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Exodus 31:14-15
14 " 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people.
15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.

There ample more verses that I could provide, but these verses should be enough to demonstrate that the Sabbath (Saturday) is big deal in the Bible's Old Testament, and the punishment for any work done in it is death.


2- Jesus' explanation and excuses for breaking the Sabbath:
jesus christ in the Bible's New Testament explained why he broke the Sabbath:

Man is the lord of the Sabbath:
Mark 2:27-28
27 Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28
So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath."

The Priests desecrated the Sabbath, and therefore, jesus also could:
Matthew 12:4-6
4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests.
5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?
6 I tell you that one greater than the temple is here.


Children could be circumcised on the Sabbath, and thus, jesus also could break it:
John 7:23
23 Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath?


David and his companions also broke the Sabbath:
Luke 6:1-11
1 One Sabbath jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels.
2 Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
3 Jesus answered them, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry?
4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
5 Then jesus said to them,
"The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath."
6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled.
7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath.
8 But jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Get up and stand in front of everyone." So he got up and stood there.
9 Then jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?"
10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was completely restored.
11But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.

Mark 2:23-28
23 One Sabbath jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain.
24 The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
25 He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?
26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."
27 Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath."


So what do we see here:
1- In these passages, we see jesus himself explained why he broke the Sabbath. It is not because he is GOD Almighty. He never claimed it, and it is indeed a lie. It is rather because the Sabbath was broken before by Moses, David, and a number of Companions and Priests.
2- jesus also said that good had always been allowed to be done in the Sabbath.
3- jesus also said that the Sabbath was discontinued and violated a long long time ago, and that he wasn't the first one to do so.
4- jesus also said that man, in general, is the lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28, Luke 6:5).


3- Do you honestly see any trinity in any of this??
I must ask you this question: Do you honestly see any thing in here that suggests that jesus christ is GOD Almighty?? Do you now see why jesus is the lord of the Sabbath? It is because man had always been the lord of the Sabbath. It is not because jesus is GOD. This is no more than a desperate lie that was invented by the polytheist trinitarian pagans like the rest of their desperate lies, deliberate mistranslations, and false conclusions.
When we read Jesus' own words throughout the Bible, we find:
  1. GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus.
  2. No one is "Good", including Jesus. Only GOD Almighty is Good.
  3. Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Almighty Knows.
  4. Jesus said that OUR God is One GOD.
  5. Jesus also said "My GOD and your GOD".
  6. Jesus bowed his face down to the ground to GOD Almighty.
  7. Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days and 40 nights, while GOD Almighty "can not be tempted!".
  8. Jesus is only the heir of GOD Almighty on planet earth; not on the entire Universe.
  9. Jesus was CREATED from the Word. Jesus was a Word from the Word according to both the New Testament and the Holy Quran. Since GOD Almighty's Word creates all things through His Dividne Command when He, the Almighty, Says for something: "Be" and it becomes, then it is quite possible that the corruptors of the Bible thought that jesus was the entire Word of GOD Almighty; something that is both wrong and blasphemous according to jesus christ himself as shown in the links above.
  10. Jesus being the "image" of GOD is nothing new nor unique in the Bible. Man too was created from the Image of GOD Almighty in the Old Testament. And the "Image" of GOD Almighty is clearly defined also in the Old Testament to be His
  11. Holiness.
  12. Righteousness.
  13. Goodness.
  14. The lies of Colossians 1:15-16 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 EXPOSED!
  15. And on and on and on from quotes of jesus that prove that he is only a Creation and a Servant of GOD Almighty.
  16. Isaiah 53, Psalm 91, Psalm 116 and Psalm 118 all declare that Jesus Christ WILL NOT BE CRUCIFIED!

Trinity is one of history's biggest lies, jesus was never called Yahweh in the entire Bible, and the Bible's corrupt books and gospels were:
  1. Written by mysterious men.
  2. Written by an unknown number of men.
  3. Written in unknown places.
  4. Written in unknown dates.
Such falsehood can not be from GOD Almighty, nor the Divine Truth and Word of GOD Almighty. Islam is the Divine Truth of GOD Almighty. I strongly recommend visiting the following links:
  1. The Overwhelming Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran.
  2. What is Islam?
  3. The blessed Jesus in Islam.
  4. Answering Trinity.
  5. Allah is GOD Almighty's Holy Name in the Bible's original Manuscripts that were discovered - centuries before Islam.

Again, the Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were

  1. Written by mysterious men.
  2. Written by an unknown number of men.
  3. Written in unknown places.
  4. Written in unknown dates.
  5. Paul never even met jesus christ in person while the latter was on earth. It is falsely claimed that jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4. Note: Paul's name used to be Saul. Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).
  6. None of the disciples, even in the false writings attributed to them, ever claimed that their writings were inspired or Divine. Not only that, but we even ironically see that:
  7. Luke for instance, wrote his "gospel" for the sake of another person and not GOD Almighty. See below for details.
  8. The disciples even fought with each others [1] [2].
  9. We read about direct invitations to dinner and other occasions between the disciples in the "books" [1].
  10. According to the commentaries below, all of the books of the bible were altered and corrupted.
  11. The Bible's own theologians even admit that the bible contains "fictions", its original manuscripts "had been lost", and contains "fairy tails and fables".

  12. And, it is also an indisputable fact that the Bible:
    1. Is filled with ample contradictions, man's alterations, corruption, and false scientific absurdities.
    2. Is written in third-party narrations, which is why we find in all of the gospels' titles "This gospel according to....", and countless verses that speak about the disciples and about their activities in third-party narrations [1] [2] [3] [4], which proves that the books and gospels were certainly not written by them.
    3. This also means that much gossips and exaggerations and fabrications were made up and inserted into the books and gospels. So even if, for instance, some people back then thought that jesus was crucified, they in reality never actually saw it. It could very well be that they've only heard about it from a neighboring town and believed it. There are certainly in the books and gospels:
    4. Too much gossips.
    5. Too wide of date gaps by the decades [1] [2] [3] [4] between when the supposed event took place and when it was actually written, by hand, in the corrupt gospels.
    6. Too many unknown people wrote the stories.
    7. Too many Prophecies in the Old Testament that promise that jesus Christ, the Messiah, will be saved from the crucifixion.
    8. Too many mistranslations and desperate misinterpretations in Isaiah 53 and elsewhere.
    9. This also means that the books and gospels were definitely not inspired by GOD Almighty. Paul, again, even admits that he had his delusions and doubts.
So now based on what objective grounds should we reject the claim about the Bible's New Testament's accounts being mostly false and fabricated by men?


4- Conclusion:
It is clear that jesus being the lord of the Sabbath doesn't prove that he is GOD Almighty. The polytheist trinitarian pagans and infidels are too desperate to prove jesus is GOD Almighty. This false desperation is clear blaspheme. jesus was no GOD, and man had always been the lord of the Sabbath according to jesus christ himself.
In the end, I'd like to end this article with the following verses from the Holy Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"Hear, O Israel: The lord our God, the lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the lord our God, the lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"
""Why do you call me good?" jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)"
Indeed, jesus Christ, the man, is only a Messenger from Allah Almighty, and he was never crucified.
May Allah Almighty enable you to see the Light and the Truth of Islam. And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our beloved and blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad. Ameen.
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