A response by Ali Ahmed to my "Shia Mosques" article:
The following is a response by Ali Ahmed and my rebuttal to it.
He wrote:
They are always either one day before or after the start day that the Main Stream Muslims follow. This intentional division of Muslims and diversion from the Main Stream Islam is completely rejected by Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran
In the beginning you have mentioned the start of the month of Ramadhan and how shias observe the month differently from Sunnis, and then, you concluded that since they don't follow the "mainstream Sunni" View, without defining to me what that mainstream is and who leads it. fasting the month of Ramadhan is all done in accordance to the appearance of the crescent. and don't forget that different countries fast in different times. for example. last year Egypt and Saudi Arabia both had different days of fastings. so even Sunnis themselves have different days in which to fast here's the Article (I assume you read Arabic) http://www.islamonline.net/Arabic/ramadan/2001/fiqh/article9.shtml as far as I'm conscerned, fasting Ramadhan is done in accordance with the Hilal (Crescent).
فعن أبي هريرةَ أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال : " صوموا لرؤيته - أي الهلال - وأفطروا لرؤيته فإن أغبى عليكم فأكملوا عِدَّةَ شعبان ثلاثين ". (متفق عليه، اللؤلؤ والمرجان، 656، معنى (أغبى) : من الغباء وهو الغبرة في السماء).
narrated Abi Huraira:
"Fast when you see it (The Crescent) and Consume food when you see it............"
عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه قال: "صومكم يوم تصومون، وفطركم يوم تفطرون"
narrated the prophet:
'Fast the day that you fast, and Consume the day you consume"
so there you go!!!.....it didnot say WHEN you should see it or WHERE....it simply said When you see it, fast.
My response:
As'salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh (may Allah Almighty's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon you) my brother in Islam Ali Ahmed.
I first want to say that it would be best if you improve both your grammar and style of writing, because as I promised you in my previous reply to you, I will post your response, and here it is. It is unfortunate that your response is very messy. You can't expect people to take you seriously with this style of writing.
Anyway, having said this advise, let me now rebut your response:
In regards to your point on fasting, it is very important for the reader to know that the Sunni Muslim countries don't always differ on the sighting of the crescent. On few years they did fast in different days (a day or two different), but in some years they did fast on the same year. Their difference of the sighting is honest.
But when one looks at the Shias, even inside the Sunni countries, they don't start fasting until their Head scholars in Iran, which happens to be the Shias' verdict-giving state, announce the fasting. And these scholars always make sure that they don't declare the beginning of Ramadan on the same day of any Sunni country. I remember several years ago when Iran began Ramadan 3 days after everyone!
Now this might sound silly or irrelevant to you, but to Allah Almighty's Holy Words in Noble Verse 9:107, it is an extremely serious issue and a threat to your salvation too! For the reader's convenience, here is what the Noble Verse Says:
"And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against God and His Apostle aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But God doth declare that they are certainly liars. (The Noble Quran, 9:107)"
You are only looking at the actions on the surface only and are not seeing them as big of a deal. But these "silly" things to you do cause for millions of Muslims to be disunited for really ridiculous reason! And those who cause this disunity are considered both "infidels" and "liars" according to the Noble Verse as one clearly sees.
So the actions of the Shias are not something to be taken lightly. It is beyond doubt that your people strive on disunity. They strive on being different and separate from all Muslims. You sarcastically said: "you concluded that since they don't follow the "mainstream Sunni" View, without defining to me what that mainstream is and who leads it."
If the 95% of the 1.2 to 1.6 billion Muslims out there are not considered main stream Muslims to you, then I don't know what else I should tell you. Your question/comment is as silly as it gets.
He wrote:
the same applies for the hajj.....now, I'd like to ask you this: WHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE QURAN OR EVEN IN ANY HADITH BOOK THAT THE MONTH SHOULD BE OBSERVED AT THE SAME TIME????
Do you think that the residence of, Say karbala, will Observe the month the same way as the people in, say Cairo???? no they WON'T...infact it's IMPOSSIBLE.
My response:
To the reader, Hajj is the yearly Pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.
Thank you for proving my point when you said "WHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE QURAN OR EVEN IN ANY HADITH BOOK THAT THE MONTH SHOULD BE OBSERVED AT THE SAME TIME????"
The answer to your twisted, corrupt and blasphemous Shia logic is very simple. Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him only did the Pilgrimage once a year and at a very specific time, which is the same exact time that Muslims do every year; couple of months after the Holy Month of Ramadan.
The second Eid (Religious Celebration) for the Muslims comes the day after the end of the Hajj. This is what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did all his life, along with his Companions. Today, all of the 95% of the 1.2 to 1.6 billion Muslim population world-wide celebrate this day exactly on the same day! All of them! The only ones who don't join in the celebration are the Shias. And I am surprised that your scholars use this silly and blasphemous logic to come up with something to prove their absurdity.
He wrote:
"And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against God and His Apostle aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But God doth declare that they are certainly liars. (The Noble Quran, 9:107)"
now the verse that you brought has nothing to do with the subject for multiples of reasons:
1) the verse was revealed regarding the hypocrites who built a mosque in medina to sway the prophet.
2) the aim is not to "Disunite" but it is a matter of geographical observance regarding various locations around the world. the prophet himself said, in the above hadith that 'Fast when you should, and consume food when you can consume"
My response:
The Noble Verse is as clear as it gets. "And there are those who put up a mosque..." is a Divine Warning for all Muslims in all times that they must watch from those who strive on disuniting the Believers. This Noble Verse is actually a Prophecy regarding the shias today! Your mosques are different, and the are designed to purposely look different and unique.
Not only that, but your prayers are all different! You put a stone right in front of you and when you prostrate your face down to the ground, you bring your forehead right on top of it. Why did you first of all invent this? And who really gave you that authority?
He wrote:
Even their Mosques look different from the Main Stream Muslim ones! The domes that are on top of their mosques are always stretched out more on the top. Here are some comparison pictures:
I wouldn't be lying to you if I tell you that this part, in particular Had me Cracking up!!!
and exactley, what difference would it made if the "Dome is stretched out" or if it was more circular???? furthermore, have you checked out Chinese mosques??
they don't even have a Dome!!!...do you suppose it would be fair to say that Chinese Muslims are "Corrupt" because their Mosques are not built to your standards????
what kind of an argument are you trying to make here???
does the word "Architecture" Ring any bell???
There is no such thing as a "Mainstream Islam Mosques"......one can build a mosque anyway he/she decides. so long as it has the Islamic necessities. it has a Me'thana (calling tower) and a Dome, and a prayer hall???
what difference would it make???
My response:
"I wouldn't be lying to you if I tell you that this part, in particular Had me Cracking up!!!"
You can laugh all you want, because many will be laughing at you when they see you entering the Gates of Hell. It is twisted-minded people like your scholars, whom you blindly follow, that come up with twisted answers like this to justify their sect's beliefs. The Dome like I mentioned in my article is not carved in stone in the Noble Quran. But when you take what the 95% of the Muslims world-wide unitedly agree on and twist it just to make yourself look unique and different, then the matter becomes different.
Now in regards to the Chinese Mosques, here are few pictures of them:
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It is apparent that these Mosques in China were built to:
1- Represent the Chinese art and culture.
2- Help the non-Muslim Chinese people to get closer to Islam by adding Culture to the Mosque's architecture.
So, unlike your shia cult, those brothers and sisters in China are not trying to be
different, but rather, they are trying to win the hearts of their disbelieving Chinese
brethrens but giving them Temples that they can relate to, without including the idol
worship in them of course.
He wrote:
it is not so much about what's written in the Noble Quran about how to design a Mosque, because the Noble Quran Gives no specifications, but rather it is about staying in order with all Muslims and to strive on not "to disunite the Believers."
there you go!!!....you just solved your own question!!!
you said that the quran did not say anything about the way you design a mosque, so literally, designing the mosque is up to the individual. If the quran did not say HOW you should design a mosque, then upon which standards, did you decide that the "Mainstream Islam" 's design of Mosques is the right design????
AND MORESO, HOW CAN THE QURAN FORGET TO TELL US THE AUTHENTIC WAY OF BUILDING A MOSQUE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T DISAGREE LATER ON?????
NORMALLY, WHEN ONE MAKES A DECISION REGARDING AN ISSUE FROM A RELIGIOUS POINT OF VIEW, ONE SHOULD USE THE QURAN AND THE SUNNAH.
YOU SAID THE QURAN DID NOT SAY ANYTHING. WELL MY QUESTION IS:
WHAT PROOF CAN YOU PROVIDE FROM THE SUNNAH THAT THE "MAINSTREAM ISLAM"'S DESIGN IS THE RIGHT ONE AND NOT OURS???
what you are asking for, is that ALL THE MOSQUES IN EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SHOULD BE THE SAME IN ORDER FOR MUSLIMS NOT TO BE DISUNITED. unfortunatley, what you are asking for is NOT ONLY Farfetched but also unreasonable.....NOT EVERY MOSQUE IN THE WORLD IS THE SAME, HECK, NOT EVERY SUNNI MOSQUE IS THE SAME!!!!
it should not matter how mosques should look like from the outside......it's in the INSDIE of those mosques that should be the conscern
My response:
You still don't get the point. It is your entire way of life and the purpose of building your mosques in a certain way, style and design, that make you infidels according to the Noble Quran! It is those evil intentions and purposes that make your mosques be rejected:
"Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and God loveth those who make themselves pure. Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety to God and His good pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? and it doth crumble to pieces with him, into the fire of Hell. And God guideth not people that do wrong. The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And God is All-Knowing, Wise. (The Noble Quran, 9:108-110)"
As I mentioned in my article, Allah Almighty is giving Clear Commands to all believers to never Pray in such blasphemous and corrupt fake mosques! "Never stand thou forth therein..." is clearly Commanding us to stay away from them.
It is more than enough proof that when a non-Muslim (someone who is neutral) sees
any of your mosques, he/she can easily tell that they are shia mosques.
He wrote:
And because the main stream shias always strive hard on being different from everyone
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BEING "dIFFERENT"?????
Don't we share the same Qibla like you????
don't we pay our Zakaa like you????
Don't we Fast Ramadhan like you do??
Don't we bear witness to Allah and his prophet PBUH Like you do???
what do you mean by different
and it is true! I personally feel that shias are strangers. I always feel it when I speak with them. I never feel that they are my real Muslim brethrens. It's not because of them personally, but rather, it is because of the corrupt beliefs and religious rituals that they follow, that had ultimately put them in isolation from the 95% of all Muslims out there.
well that's just YOUR opinion. As much as I would like to disagree with you, I'd respect it!!.
many Palestinians don't share your thoughts. Infact I personally know some Palestinian Shiites.
here's one: his name is Basil Al-Khadraa
http://site.aqaed.com/khadhraa/
I don't know what you might define as a "Muslim Brethren", but I believe that SHARING the five pillars of Islam is more than enough to make us "brethrens" (Or at least, that's how Muslims should be toward each other....Isn't it??)
unless ofcourse, you have some axe to grind against Shiites, based on some Salafi orders.
as for the Ritual, my advice is to save it!!!
because Some Sunnis have the same thing
Wassalam
-Ali
My response:
One doesn't need to be a salafi to see the evilness of the shias. You asked how are we different. I'll tell you. Aside from all of the facts above about how different you are from the 95% of all Muslims out there, but even in your personal Prayers to GOD Almighty, you are still different from the 95% of the 1.2 to 1.6 billion Muslims out there.
We Pray to Allah Almighty directly. We follow the Holy and Divine Commands of GOD Almighty that exist in Noble Verses such as the following:
"When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"
"It was We Who Created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein. (The Noble Quran, 50:16)"
So how do shias pray?
Unlike the rest of the Muslims world-wide, the shias don't ask GOD Almighty directly! When I pray, I seek Allah Almighty directly. And I was taught that the best physical position to be in when I ask Allah Almighty is when my face is prostrated down to the ground in humility before Him.
But when you pray, you ask Ali instead of Allah Almighty! You "O Ali madad (help)" or "Ya Ali madad (help)" prayer is on your tongues almost 24 hours a day! You believe that by asking the spirit of Ali to help you that he can intercede to GOD Almighty and have GOD Almighty help you.
The problem with your satanic way is that:
1- It is totally against the way the Prophet, peace be upon him, used to Pray, which we are supposed to imitate.
2- It totally and clearly nullifies and contradicts Noble Verse 2:186 above. "When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me:....." is completely nullified and contradicted when one prays to Ali instead of Allah Almighty.
"...When he calleth on Me..." is actually a direct Command by Allah Almighty that we must Call only Unto Him!
"Me" does not mean Ali!
"Me" means Allah Almighty!
3- The intercession that you're twisted
scholars taught you to justify their idol worship of Ali is not done in this life time.
It is done in the Day of Judgement when Allah Almighty Will bring the Prophets
before their people to testify for them and against them. It is then Allah Almighty
Will allow some intercession to be done only for the Believers by their Prophets, so that
some of their sins might be Forgiven. It is Allah Almighty's Way of Showing His Love
and Respect to His Prophets, Peace and Blessings be upon all of them, and it is also His
Way of Showing some Grace to His Creation. There are also other ways a person would
get Mercy from Allah Almighty and have some of his/her sins to be Forgiven. One of
them is the person's intentions and the actions that he/she did after they committed the
sin. Did they insist on committing it again, or did just realize it and seeked
Forgiveness from Allah Almighty. Was the person under the age of 40 when he/she
committed the sin? Sins that are committed at the early and inexperienced
years of the person's life have much greater chance of being forgiven than those committed
at later years. All of this will be factored in when Allah Almighty Decides on the
person.
To the reader, for more information and proofs regarding intercession, please visit: My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "To Intercede or Not To Intercede? That is the Question!" article.
And in regards to Allah Almighty's Forgiveness in ways other than intercession by the
Prophets, here are some Noble Verses that clearly prove this:
From http://www.answering-christianity.com/islam.htm:
.....Only He the Almighty Knows, because He will decide based on the person's belief and good deeds on whether to admit him to Heaven or to Hell. There is no set rule on how the Judgement will happen. Every individual will have his own special and unique case that Allah Almighty will consider.
That is why Allah Almighty said in Noble Verses 99:7-8 "Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it."
He, the Almighty, also said:
"In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Quran,- and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing,- We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record. (The Noble Quran, 10:61)"
"There is no moving creature on earth but its sustenance dependeth on God: He knoweth the time and place of its definite abode and its temporary deposit: All is in a clear Record. (The Noble Quran, 11:6)"
"Knowest thou not that God knows all that is in heaven and on earth? Indeed it is all in a Record, and that is easy for God. (The Noble Quran, 22:70)"
From http://www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm:
Disbelievers' sins will be all forgiven for them when they embrace Islam: "Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from unbelief), their past would be forgiven for them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). (The Noble Quran, 8:38)"
"The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and all between,- Exalted in Might, able to enforce His Will, forgiving again and again. (The Noble Quran, 38:66)"
If we are sincere, our daily sins are almost always forgiven: "Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, And when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil. (The Noble Quran, 53:32)"
If you ask Allah Almighty for forgiveness, then He'll forgive you: "If any one does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:110)"
If you are grateful to Allah Almighty, then He'll give you more: "And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): 'If ye are grateful, I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude, truly My punishment is terrible indeed.' (The Noble Quran, 14:7)"
Be sure that Allah Almighty is always Willing to forgive all of your sins: "Say: 'O my Servants who Have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 39:53)"
The use of the word "Say" in this Noble Verse means that Allah Almighty wants us to always remind each others by reciting this Noble Verse to those who need it.
Allah Almighty accepts our many sins: "If God were to punish men according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily God has in His sight all His Servants. (The Noble Quran, 35:45)"
Allah Almighty is our friend and He is close and listens:
"Your (real) friends are God, His Apostle, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). (The Noble Quran, 5:55)"
"Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend. (The Noble Quran, 4:125)"
Allah Almighty is close and He listens to our prayers: "When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (The Noble Quran, 2:186)"
Narrated Anas: "The Prophet said, 'My Lord says, 'If My slave comes nearer to me for a span, I go nearer to him for a cubit; and if he comes nearer to Me for a cubit, I go nearer to him for the span of outstretched arms; and if he comes to Me walking, I go to him running.' ' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 627)"
If you are loved by people, then Allah Almighty loves you:
Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'If Allah loves a person, He calls Gabriel, saying, 'Allah loves so and so, O Gabriel love him' So Gabriel would love him and then would make an announcement in the Heavens: 'Allah has loved so and-so therefore you should love him also.' So all the dwellers of the Heavens would love him, and then he is granted the pleasure of the people on the earth.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 577)"
Allah Almighty gives rewards more than bad deeds at the Day of Judgement: "If any does good, the reward to him is better than his deed; but if any does evil, the doers of evil are only punished (to the extent) of their deeds. (The Noble Quran, 28:84)"
Allah Almighty Loves to record the good deeds only as much as possible:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "The Great and the Glorious Lord said (to angels): Whenever My bondsman intends to corn it an evil, do not record it against him, but if he actually commits it, then write it as one evil. And when he intends to do good but does not do it, then take it down is one act of goodness, but if he does it, then write down ten good deeds (in his record). (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman), Book 001, Number 0233)"
We should always pray to Allah Almighty for forgiveness:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: "Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said to the Prophet "O Allah's Apostle! Teach me an invocation with which I may invoke Allah in my prayers." The Prophet said, "Say: O Allah! I have wronged my soul very much (oppressed myself), and none forgives the sins but You; so please bestow Your Forgiveness upon me. No doubt, You are the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 485)"
The 'Alawi' or 'Alavi' Shias considered Ali as GOD, literally!!!
To the shias' credit, the Alawis were completely denounced by them. But nonetheless, they were a section of people from the shias that emerged for some period of time and declared that Ali is the Creator of the Universe who came down to earth in a human flesh form, exactly as the polytheist trinitarian pagans believe regarding Jesus!
The shias glorify Ali so much and they pray to him so much, that GOD Almighty Himself became almost irrelevant to them, and to some twisted ones (the alawis) from them, it meant that Ali was actually the Creator of the Universe Himself.
So to the ordinary Muslims, it is beyond obvious that the shia cult is actually a blasphemous cult! They are no less than the African-American "Nation of Islam", who have their own false prophet; the bahais; ahmedis; ismailis; who also have their own false prophets; and other false sects that emerged and might exist out there.
Other twisted shias' beliefs:
The shias also believe in the spiritual inspirations of the "Ahlul-Bayt" or the "People of the House of the Prophet". Their scholars actually believe that they can get inspirations from those people's spirits through prayer. That is why they call their decisions as "The decisions of Ahlul-Bayt", because they strongly believe that their scholars' decisions are inspired by the spirits of Ahlul-Bayt.
So as the reader clearly sees, the shias are different in many things from the main stream Muslims; the 95% of the 1.2 to 1.6 billion Muslims world-wide.
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