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A prophet says: don't start greeting the jews and the Christians!


They said: The prophet of Islam urged his followers for racism even in greeting people! They referred to the speech mentioned in The Correct Muslim, book of (saluting "salam"), chapter (prohibiting starting greeting the jews and the Christians and how to answer their greeting), no. 4030. Suhail narrated from his father, narrated from Abu Hurair, who narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "Do not greet the jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it".


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The reply to this misunderstanding:

First: It's ignorance to claim that Muhammad (PBUH) called for racism, as this is completely untrue, and it’s proved by the following:

1 – Allah, the Almighty, says in the Quran: {O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted} (The Rooms:13).


2 – Muhammad (PBUH) said: "There's no priority for an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, nor a white over a black, nor a black over a white, except by piety. People were created from Adam, and Adam was created from mud".


3 – Al Termithi's Sunan, no. 3193. Ibn Omar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the prophet (PBUH) gave a sermon on the day of entering Makkah victrious, he (PBUH) said: "O people, Allah has saved you from the racism of the era before Islam. People are two types: a pious, sincere, lovable to Allah, and a bawdy, disobedient, unlovable to Allah. People were created from Adam, and Allah created Adam out of mud, Allah says: {O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted}".


Second: Their claim that Muhammad (PBUH) called for racism even in greeting non-Muslims, is false, and this is proved by the following:


1 – The Correct Series, no. 569. The prophet (PBUH) said: "O people, spread peace, feed the poor, care for your relatives, and pray at night while people are sleeping, you shall enter paradise in peace".


2 – Ibn Majah's Sunan, no, 3692. Abu Huraira narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "You shall not enter paradise as long as you do not affirm belief (in all those things which are the articles of faith) and you will not believe as long as you do not love one another. Shall I direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love amongst you?: spread peace among you (the practice of greeting one another by saying assalamo alaikum (peace be upon you)”.


3 – The Correct Bukhari, no. 11. Abdullah Ibn Amr (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that a man asked the prophet (PBUH) saying: "What are the best deeds in Islam?" The Prophet (PBUH) replied, 'To feed the poor and greet (say: peace be upon you) those whom you know and those whom you do not know".


Notice: "greet those whom you know and those whom you don't know".


4 – He (PBUH) ordered to be generous with the guest, even if he/ she was a non-Muslim. This is mentioned in The Correct Bukhari, no. 5559, Abu Huraira narrated that the messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: "Anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should not harm his neighbor, and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should say what is good or keep quiet. (i.e. abstain from all kinds of evil and dirty talk)".


5 – He (PBUH) ordered his companions to treat all people with good manners. This is mentioned in Al Termithi's Sunan, no. 1910, Abu Zarr said: the messenger of Allah (PBUH) said to me:"Fear Allah wherever you are, make a good deed after committing a sin, so that it shall be eliminated, and treat people with good manners".


6 – Allah, the Almighty, ordered His messenger (PBUH) in the Quran saying: {and speak kindly to mankind} (The Cow:83).
Mankind means; all people, the believers and the disbelievers.
Thus, the previous evidences prove that this misunderstanding is completely false and untrue.


Second: The objectors misunderstood the prophet's (PBUH) speech, which says: "Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it".
The speech doesn't call for racism as they understood, it rather has a different meaning, which can be clarified through the following question: if someone insults your father, what shall you do?





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The answer: Someone may say, I shall insult or beat him, or at least I shall not greet him…

So what if Allah, the Almighty, who is greater than our fathers and any other creature, is the one being insulted?!

That's why Muslims don't greet the Jews and the Christians. We believe that you insulted Allah, the Almighty, when saying that He has a son, by the doctrine of Trinity, and by claiming that God can be struck and spit on the face!!!

This is mentioned in Mathew 26:67:

67 Then they spit in his face and struck him. And some slapped him,68 saying, “Prophesy to us, you Christ! Who is it that struck you?”

According to our belief, this is considered insulting Allah, the Almighty, and this is proved by the following:

1 – The Correct Bukhari, no. 6830, Abu Musa Al Ashaari narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "None is more patient than Allah against the harmful and annoying words He hears (from the people): They ascribe children to Him, yet He bestows upon them health and provision ".

2 – The Correct Bukhari, no. 4592, Abu Huraira narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "Allah said: 'The son of Adam tells a lie against Me, though he hasn't the right to do so. He abuses me though he hasn't the right to do so. As for his telling a lie against Me, it is his saying that I will not recreate him as I created him for the first time. In fact, the first creation was not easier for Me than new creation. As for his abusing Me, it is his saying that Allah has begotten children, while I am the One, the Self-Sufficient Master Whom all creatures need, I beget not, nor was I begotten, and there is none like unto Me".

As for the Jews insulting Allah, the Almighty, it's mentioned in the Quran in two positions:

1 – Allah, the Almighty, says quoting the Jews: {And the Jews say, "The hand of Allah is chained." Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say. Rather, both His hands are extended; He spends however He wills} (The Table Spread with Food:64).


2 – Allah, the Almighty, says quoting them: {Allah has certainly heard the statement of those [Jews] who said, "Indeed, Allah is poor, while we are rich." We will record what they said and their killing of the prophets without right and will say, "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire} (The Family of Imran:181).
In the Jalalen Interpretation: Those were the Jews, they said so when Allah, the Almighty, revealed the verse: {Who is it that would loan Allah a goodly loan so He may multiply it for him many times over?}. They said: If Allah was rich, He wouldn't ask us for a loan.

I have a question here: Isn't this an insult for Allah, the Almighty, that makes us, Muslims, don't greet them?!
In general, Allah, the Almighty, says: {The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?} (The Repentance:30).

Isn't this an insult to Allah, the Almighty, according to our belief?!

The answer: It is, though it is permissible to greet the Jews and the Christians with words like: hello, good morning, how are you, welcome,…..etc.

Another reason for not greeting the Jews and the Christians with "peace be upon you" is because Allah, the Almighty, informed His prophet (PBUH) that those Jews and Christians would never be satisfied with Muslims till they believe in their beliefs. Besides, this is a proof for the believers' truthfulness, as "peace (al salam)" is one of Allah's names. That's why paradise was called "the house of peace", and the prophet (PBUH) used to say to his companions: "Peace be upon those who follow guidance", meaning that if you follow truth, you will be in peace…

In addition to this, not greeting them saying "peace be upon you" doesn't mean not saluting them, and asking about them, but we preserve their rights, as Allah, the Almighty, says: {Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly} (The Woman to be Examined:8).

Third: Someone may say: there's a speech that clarifies how racist Muhammad was, it's mentioned in The Correct Bukhari, no. 5788. Anas Ibn Malek narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: " If the people of the Scripture (the Jews and the Christians) greet you, then you should say (in reply), 'Wa'alaikum (And on you) ".

I say: this speech has a special reason. It's that the Jews said to the prophet (PBUH): "Assaamo alaikom", it's same as "Assalamo Alaikom" but without "l", which means in Arabic: "death be upon you". So, he (PBUH) recommended to his companions to reply to the Jews who greet them saying : "And upon you". This is proved in the following:


1 – The Correct Bukhari, no. 6414, Anas Ibn Malek narrated that a Jew passed by the prophet (PBUH) and said: "Assamo Alaika (death be upon you)." The messenger of Allah (PBUH) said in reply, "Wa Alaika (and upon you)". The messenger of Allah (PBUH) then said to his companions, "Do you know what he (the Jew) has said? He said: "Assamo Alaika.'" They said, "O messenger of Allah! Shall we kill him?" The prophet (PBUH), said, "No. When the people of the Book greet you, just say: "Wa Alaikum (and on you)".


2 – Ibn Majah's Sunan, no.4530, Abdullah Ibn Omar narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "When the Jews greet you, they usually say: "Assamo alaikum (Death be on you)", so you should say (in reply to them): "Wa alaikum (And on you)".
Therefore, he (PBUH) ordered to reply to the Jews' greeting saying "and on you", as they usually don't say "peace be upon you", and Allah, the Almighty, says in the Quran: {And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet [in return] with one better than it or [at least] return it [in a like manner]. Indeed, Allah is ever, over all things, an Accountant} (The Women:86).
Al Qurtubi said in his interpretation: the greeting is peace, it's asking Allah good life for you. Ibn Abbas said: the verse means that if you, Muslims, are greeted with a greeting from a believer " greet in return with one better than it", and if you are greeted with a greeting from a disbeliever "return it".


Fourth: Someone may ask: what’s the meaning of those words "and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it"?

I say: There are many interpretations for the scholars concerning those words:


1 – Al Qurtubi said those words mean that when you, Muslims, meet them on a narrow road, get aside for them to pass. So, this meaning is suitable for the first sentence in the speech, and those words don't mean that when you meet them in a wide road, force them to get to its narrow edge as a kind of annoying them, because Muhammad (PBUH) prohibited us from annoying non-Muslims without any reason.

2 – The author of (Aon Al Maabood Fi Sharh Sunan Abu Dawood) said: If the road is crowded with Muslims, ask the Jews to get aside, but if the road is empty, don't ask them to do so.

3 – Ibn Al Othaimein said: those words mean that if you, Muslims, meet the Jews in a road, don't get aside for them, so that you walk in the narrowest part of the road, but go on your way, and let them go to the narrowest part of the road. It's well-known that the prophet (PBUH) never forced a Jew (living in Madina) to go to the narrowest part of the road, nor did his companions. So, this means: when you meet Jews in a road, don't scatter your group to let them pass, but walk on your way and don't get aside. This speech doesn't abhor people from Islam, it rather shows the Muslim's pride, and that a Muslims doesn't condescend himself for anyone, except for Allah, the Almighty.





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1 – The Correct Bukhari, no. 6414, Anas Ibn Malek narrated that a Jew passed by the prophet (PBUH) and said: "Assamo Alaika (death be upon you)." The messenger of Allah (PBUH) said in reply, "Wa Alaika (and upon you)". The messenger of Allah (PBUH) then said to his companions, "Do you know what he (the Jew) has said? He said: "Assamo Alaika.'" They said, "O messenger of Allah! Shall we kill him?" The prophet (PBUH), said, "No. When the people of the Book greet you, just say: "Wa Alaikum (and on you)".


2 – Ibn Majah's Sunan, no.4530, Abdullah Ibn Omar narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "When the Jews greet you, they usually say: "Assamo alaikum (Death be on you)", so you should say (in reply to them): "Wa alaikum (And on you)".
Therefore, he (PBUH) ordered to reply to the Jews' greeting saying "and on you", as they usually don't say "peace be upon you", and Allah, the Almighty, says in the Quran: {And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet [in return] with one better than it or [at least] return it [in a like manner]. Indeed, Allah is ever, over all things, an Accountant} (The Women:86).
Al Qurtubi said in his interpretation: the greeting is peace, it's asking Allah good life for you. Ibn Abbas said: the verse means that if you, Muslims, are greeted with a greeting from a believer " greet in return with one better than it", and if you are greeted with a greeting from a disbeliever "return it".


Fourth: Someone may ask: what’s the meaning of those words "and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it"?

I say: There are many interpretations for the scholars concerning those words:


1 – Al Qurtubi said those words mean that when you, Muslims, meet them on a narrow road, get aside for them to pass. So, this meaning is suitable for the first sentence in the speech, and those words don't mean that when you meet them in a wide road, force them to get to its narrow edge as a kind of annoying them, because Muhammad (PBUH) prohibited us from annoying non-Muslims without any reason.

2 – The author of (Aon Al Maabood Fi Sharh Sunan Abu Dawood) said: If the road is crowded with Muslims, ask the Jews to get aside, but if the road is empty, don't ask them to do so.

3 – Ibn Al Othaimein said: those words mean that if you, Muslims, meet the Jews in a road, don't get aside for them, so that you walk in the narrowest part of the road, but go on your way, and let them go to the narrowest part of the road. It's well-known that the prophet (PBUH) never forced a Jew (living in Madina) to go to the narrowest part of the road, nor did his companions. So, this means: when you meet Jews in a road, don't scatter your group to let them pass, but walk on your way and don't get aside. This speech doesn't abhor people from Islam, it rather shows the Muslim's pride, and that a Muslims doesn't condescend himself for anyone, except for Allah, the Almighty.

It shall be clearer through this example: if there's a Muslim walking on a (crowded pavement), then a Jew and a Christian came in front of him, shall the Muslim descend from the (pavement)?The answer: The Muslim shouldn't descend from the pavement, but the Jew and the Christian should do; so that the Muslim shows his pride, and because the Jews and the Christians are disbelievers. But if the (pavement) isn't crowded, the Muslim shouldn't force them to go to the narrowest part of it, because this is considered oppression for them, and Allah, the Almighty, says in the Quran: {Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly} (The Woman to be examined:8).Fifth: this speech shows the utmost mercy for them, as by this way they don't find pride in their disbelief, but they find humiliation, so they search for pride in Islam and enter it, and then be saved from hellfire.Important notice: Some scholars said that this speech was said to some people in particular (the Jews), who were in a war against the prophet (PBUH). So, he (PBUH) ordered his companions not to start greeting them, and that wasn't in general, but was for a certain period of time. Dr. Yusuf Al Qaradawi and others said so, and this is clarified through the other narrations of the speech. It's mentioned in Ibn Majah's Sunan, book of (politeness), chapter (answering the people of the book's greeting), no. 3689, Abu Abdelrahman Al Jahny narrated that the prophet (PBUH) said: "Tomorrow I'm going to the Jews, so don't start greeting them, and if they greet you, say: and on you".Sixth: The Bible mentions that Jesus, the Christ (PBUH) ordered his followers not to greet others who weren't from his followers, same with prophet John (PBUH). The Bible mentions that the Lord recommends doing so, this is in the following:1 – Luke 10:3-4:3 Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. 4 Carry no moneybag, no knapsack, no sandals, and greet no one on the road.2 – 2 John 1:10-11:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.3 – Isaiah 48“There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.”I have a question here: after presenting the previous Bible verses, can anyone of the objectors attack the prophet's (PBUH) speech: "Don't start greeting the Jews and the Christians…."?!Besides, what's their comment on the Bible verses previously mentioned…?Did they attack those verses same as what they did with the prophet's (PBUH) speech they misunderstood?!
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