Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible:
The sections of this article are:
1- My personal note and experience with this issue.
2- Males and Females in the Bible did
it to females.
3- Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughter's vaginas before
marriage in the Bible.
4- Fathers have full control over their daughters.
5- Why would fathers do that?
6- The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!
7- How can you justify "digital defloration" to your sister or daughter?
8- Some minority Christians in Europe
still do it today!
9- Rebuttals.
10- Conclusion.
1- My personal note and experience with this issue:
When I was young, I did hear about this sick tradition once from my father; that fathers would stick their fingers covered in a cloth, into their daughters' vaginas few hours before their daughters' weddings, and display the cloth before everyone to prove that she was a virgin. I heard that it was practiced among some people in the Middle East in the very old days, especially in the southern part of Egypt, Iraq, Iran and Morocco. I wasn't sure exactly who these people were, because Egypt has Muslims, Christians and Jews in it. The southern part certainly is mixed with all these religions. So it's quite possible that even some Muslims practiced it, even though there is nothing about this sick tradition mentioned in any Islamic doctrine.
When I read Deuteronomy 22:13-18 in the Bible, as it is explained in details in the article, I nearly lost my mind! I was in great shock! The Bible matched exactly what I heard about when I was young.
2- Males and Females in the Bible did it to females:
Before we get into the fathers and daughters issue, it is important first to know that some males in the Bible did it to females. Let us look at the following information:
"There were, of course, others who might examine accused brides. Dwyer, 63, notes the role of doctors in modern Morocco. In pre-modern times this role was performed by midwives (see Westermarck, Marriage Ceremonies in Morocco, 229f.; Marcus, p. 324. M. Friedman, Ribbui Nashim Beyisra'el [Tel Aviv: Mosad Bialik etc., 1986], 169-170, 263). According to the Midrash Hagadol, Isaac himself examined Rebekah digitally before their marriage (Midrash Hagadol to Genesis 24:67 [ed. M. Margulies; Jerusalem: Mosad Harav Kook, 1967, 411]; according to Pirke Rabbi Eliezer, chap. 16, p. 38a, the examination consisted of digital defloration [ref. courtesy of my colleague, Prof. Judah Goldin]). According to the aprocryphal Book of James, sec. 19-20, Mary was likewise examined digitally for virginity by Salome (New Testament Apocrypha, ed. E. Hennecke & W. Schneemelcher, 385; ref. courtesy of Prof. Tikva Frymer-Kensky and my colleague Prof. Robert A. Kraft)."
(http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jwst/4q159.htm) [Note #13, read toward the end of the note]
(the article is also located on my site)
An AUDIO file (46 seconds) from the "Banned from the Bible" documentary film proving that Salome inserted her finger into Mary.
Interpreter's Voice:
Dr. David Scholer
New Testament, Fuller Theological Seminary
(The film can be purchased from the History Channel's web site)
The reason I copied Mr. Jeffrey H. Tigay's article on my site is to prevent it from vanishing from the internet someday. Many valuable articles were lost without permanent preservation on the internet.
Anyway, let us look the "digital defloration" key words in his quote:
Digital: "\Dig"i*tal\, a. [L. digitals.] Of or performance to the fingers, or to digits; done with the fingers; as, digital compression; digital examination."
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=digital)
Defloration: "\Def`lo*ra"tion\,
n. [LL. defloratio: cf. F. d['e]floration.] 1. The act of deflouring; as, the
defloration of a virgin. --Johnson."
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Defloration)
Also, Defloration mean: "1. The act of deflowering.
2. Rupture of the hymen, typically in sexual intercourse."
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=defloration%20)
So in other words, digital defloration
means inserting a finger or thumb into a virgin female's vagina to cause her to bleed and
take away her virginity. So when Salome himself did digital defloration to Mary
(Jesus' mother), and Isaac "himself" did digital defloration to Rebekah, it
means that both mentioned men had inserted their fingers into the mentioned female'
vaginas.
3- Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters in the Bible:
Let us look at the following Verses in the Bible: "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?] that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married] with before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)"
Here is a more clear translation from Hebrew Resources: "The girl's father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl's virginity before the elders of the town at the gate. And the girl's father shall say to the elders, "I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he had taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, 'I did not find your daughter a virgin.' But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!" And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town. (From the New JPS translation, Deuteronomy 22:15-17)"
The New JPS translation of Deuteronomy 22:15-17 makes it even more clear about having the parents of the girl displaying the bloody piece of cloth before the elders of the town.
According to the Talmud, the cloth should be "A cloth of less than 3 square finger-breadths. (From the Talmud, Eruvin 29b-30a and Succah 16a)", and before it is being used, it should be "soft, woolen and clean. (From the Talmud, Niddah 17a)"
4- Fathers have full control over their daughters:
The thing that we all must know is that the father in the Bible has full control over his daughters. Let us look at few quotes from Talmudic and Biblical resources:
The father has the right to force their daughters into marriage: "The father has the obligation to marry off his daughters. (From the Talmud, Kiddushin 29a, 30b)", and "Marrying off one's daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one's Slave. (From the Talmud, Pesachim 113a)"
The father even has the right to sell his daughter as a servant (slave girl) to other men: "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 21:7-8)"
There is even pre-arranged marriage before the child is even born!
People before they are even born are arranged for marriage: "A Divine Voice announces who a soon-to-be-born boy and girl will marry when they grow up. (From the Talmud, Moed Katan 18b, Sotah 2a, Moed Katan 18b and Moed Katan 18b)"
A small rebuttal to the Christian "Answering Islam" team, between me (Osama Abdallah) and Jim:
Jim- Defloration is the act of rupturing the hymen during sexual intercourse. Therefore the man can't stick his hand into the woman's vagina according to Mr. Abdallah. How can you have sexual intercourse and then stick your hand and a cloth at the same time in a woman's vagina. Make no sense does it? Then again most of Mr Abdallah's material makes no sense.
Osama- Who mentioned sexual intercourse here Jim? The woman's virginity can be taken through a person's hands, a father's finger inside his daughter. As I showed above, "digital defloration" means inserting a finger or thumb into the woman's vagina.
I had some Christians raise high objections to this point, and some had even criticized me
of being a "liar". Well, beside from the above references that clearly prove my
point, if you still do not believe me then go and seek it among OLD MIDDLE EASTERN Jews
for yourself. Also, using your own personal common sense, explain to me what the
Bible means by "her parents shall display the cloth"
and its relationship to the girl's virginity? If the husband is the one to
take his wife's virginity through sexual intercourse, then what would having the girl's
parents displaying "the cloth" have anything to do
with it?
You might then think, then how would the husband be able to know whether his wife was ever touched by another man if her father took her virginity away from her before marriage?
My answer to this question is that some men can tell by instinct whether their wives had previous relationships before when they sleep with their wives. This however is very difficult and doesn't apply to all men, especially when their wives are good in faking it. In the old Jewish culture fathers were to take their daughters' virginity and must keep the bloody cloth for as long as their daughters were married as a solid proof.
That is why the Bible mentions "the cloth" and orders the parents to use it as a proof. Using your own common sense, the cloth would not be a clean one like anyone you have at home. It has to be a bloody one.
These laws however are not GOD Almighty's Laws, even though they are considered as such. These are old Jewish Laws that had corrupted the Bible:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!
5- Why would fathers do that?
Back in the old Biblical days, if a girl commits fornication, she would bring a big shame to the family. The family would lose their reputation and respect in the town. That is why you see Biblical verses such as the following:
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 21:9)"
"...and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss. (From the New Jerusalem Bible, Ecclesiasticus 22:3)"
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days. (From the NIV Bible, Leviticus 12:2-5)"
6- The entire Bible is corrupted anyway according to its Theologians!
The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man's alterations and corruptions:
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'?
But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.
(From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible's theologians and historians wrote:
"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)"
"Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)"
"The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)"
"The letter is difficult to date with precision....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)"
"It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)"
"Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)"
"The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)"
"Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)"
"There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)"
"According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)"
"Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)"
"The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources....(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)"
"Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided....(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)"
etc...
Please visit: Just who were the original authors of the Bible? to see the book's bibliography to the above quotes.
Also, why don't you visit: Contradictions and proofs of Historical Corruptions in the Bible, and see exactly what I mean, instead of acting like a total fool and saying things that even the Bible refutes in it!
7- How can you justify "digital defloration" to your sister or daughter?
As we've seen above, it was part of the old Jewish culture to do digital defloration (inserting a finger into the vagina) to women. Mary, the mother of Jesus, even got digitally deflowered herself! I'd like to ask all Jews and Christians this simple question:
How can you justify to your daughter or sister that it is Biblically and religiously OK to insert a (middle) finger (whether by male or female; it doesn't matter) into her vagina to take away her virginity?
I mean, beside the woman's husband, who should really have the authority to touch her in her private like that?
And also, could Jeremiah in Jeremiah 8:8 meant exactly this when he said that the Jews had so badly corrupted the Bible and turned it into a "lie"?
"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"
As we've seen above, Deuteronomy 22:13-18 absolutely could not have referred to the husband covering his penis with the cloth and inserting it into his wife's vagina. The verse clearly talked about the cloth being in the parents' possession, and it clearly referred to having the evidence right before the wedding night.
So, could this digital defloration by the bride's relative (whether it is her father, mother, brother, sister, or what have you) be nothing but a ridiculous LIE that was put in GOD Almighty's Holy Mouth as a Revelation sent from Him as Jeremiah 8:8 above clearly suggests?
I'll let you answer this for yourself.
Also, could Islam be the Truth, and the Bible be the mix between Truth and falsehood as Muslims claim? Could Islam really have been foretold by previous Prophets?
Please visit: The Scientific Miracles in the Noble Quran and Islam.
The original name for GOD Almighty in Aramaic and Hebrew was indeed "Allah". See proofs from Hebrew and Aramaic resources. Aramaic was the language that Jesus peace be upon him spoke during his ministry. Also, according to the Bible, "Yahweh" was not GOD Almighty's original name. It was "Allah". See proofs from the Hebrew resources.
8- Some minority Christians in Europe still do it today:
The following two posts were sent to me by Anna C., may Allah Almighty further Lead her to Islam. Ameen. They contain a link that has a story about old-fashion Christians in Europe practicing this Biblical law. For the sake of readability, the structure of every post that is stored on my site is as follows:
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Anna C.
<I decided not to reveal her email address>
http://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm
3/14/2005
I think, on the issue of fathers digitally raping their daughters, that it would also be interesting to note that this custom was also practiced by the Gypsies that lived in the Iberian Peninsula.
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Anna C.
<I decided not to reveal her email address>
http://www.answering-christianity.com/fathers_rape.htm
3/14/2005
http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm
I meant nothing ill by the comment, I just found it interesting to note that this was also practiced elsewhere.
Thank you for your time!
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Note: Because I realize that this contribution by Anna C. will offend many of the Islam-hating Jews and Christians, I decided to keep her email address anonymous.
The link above contains the following quotes:
"But the gypsy wedding I attended was all rejoicing and beauty - albeit of a rather uncivilised kind, which made it all the more exciting. The lovely 17 year old bride, our neighbour Paqui, walked down from El Coro (our gypsy neigbourhood) in a cloud of white chiffon on the arm of her father, Conejo (Rabbit, as he is known), between two rows of admiring neighbours - even the payos came out to gape. In the great round church, the mothers of bride and groom stood by the altar until the priest had finished his standard sermon and then, with great feeling, sang lamenco marriage chants into the microphone, one of which, I remember, spoke of the union of "gitano con gitana". As they left the church, a white dove was released into the air, a symbol of the bride's purity, soon to fly away."
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"Paqui was then taken away by the two mothers and an old gypsy woman with a great mane of white hair, who, it was explained to me, was a virginity examiner (the actual expression for what she does is sacar la honra, or "display the honour"), who had been brought especially all the way from Cadiz, at great expense: 100,000 pesetas for the night's work, which is more than the minimum monthly wage. The reason why the sacaora, as she is known, has to come from so far away is, they said, to ensure her impartiality...
An hour later the three women and Paqui (who looked sheepishly proud, as if she had just been awarded her high school diploma) were back: the "judge" entered the church screaming and holding up a large white handkerchief embroidered in each corner with three red roses (this is because, generations ago, three corners of the handkerchief were twisted together to form a lancet which actually deflowered the girl, and came out stained in blood). I drew closer and could observe that there was a yellowish stain in the middle of the handkerchief, which showed signs of having been creased. The current, more "civilised" procedure is for the judge to wrap the handkerchief around her finger and introduce it in the vagina to feel, rather than break the hymen."
(http://www.andalucia.com/accounts/myfriendsgypsies.htm......the color, underline and bold emphasis added above are mine)
As we clearly see above, those Gypsy minority in Europe are Christians, and among those
Christians, the digital defloration of virgin women before marriage is
still practiced even until today!
9- Rebuttals:
Please visit Further Rebuttals to Jim about Fathers raping their daughters in the Bible.
10- Conclusion:
The Bible is a book that had been badly corrupted by the man-made Jewish cultural nonsense through the "scribes". As we've seen above, GOD Almighty condemned the scribes in Jeremiah 8:8 and said they turned the Bible into a lie. The scribes are man made laws and lies that had been inserted into the Bible as Divine Revelations from GOD Almighty. Certainly, the "fathers inserting their fingers into their daughters' vaginas" law is a scribes' corruption in the Bible.
Further sites to research:
X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.
Raping girls at the age of 3 is allowed in the Jewish Holiest Book, the Thalmud.
What is the punishment for rape in Christianity and Islam? See how the Bible tolerates it and even indirectly promotes it to happen to single women.
Contradicting errors even in Porn in the Bible.
History of man's corruption in the Bible. The Bible was not even written by the Prophets of GOD and the Disciples of Jesus.
Christianity is the cause of our social corruptions today.
Response to the so called "Pornography" in the Noble Quran.
Church Priests/Ministers who changed their sex and still preach in their Churches.
Back to women in Islam and Christianity section.
References/Bibliography:
1- The Jewish Talmud.
2- The NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition.
General Editor: Kenneth Barker.
Associate Editors: Donald Burdick, John Stek, Walter Wessel and Ronald Youngblood.
Published at: Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, MI 49530, USA
ISBN: 0-310-92589-4.